# Doctor Who Series 9 discussion (spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754 "2015-09-19T11:40:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/261 "2015-10-12T02:12:05Z")
It was dad 150 years from the viewpoint of the future time underwater base, but not in 1980. And did the Doctor cause the flood the first time the town was submerged? I read the Radio Times article ([All the latest TV news, previews, spoilers, what to watch recommendations and opinion - Radio Times](http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-10-10/doctor-who-what-is-the-bootstrap-paradox)) and it didn’t help my comprehension at all ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/262 "2015-10-12T02:21:47Z")
> [@anyrose](#): > > It was dad 150 years from the viewpoint of the future time underwater base, but not in 1980. And did the Doctor cause the flood the first time the town was submerged? It was definitely dead-ish- that was the mortuary dude and a hearse- being taken to his nearly final resting place away from the planet it conquered and then had taken away from it. and yes - the Doctor caused the flood - of that much I’m remotely certain - maybe. pretty sure anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/263 "2015-10-12T17:42:30Z")
My husband and I agree that the undertaker was the creepiest thing in the episode. “He’s less creepy as a ghost!” So: Two played the recorder, Five (in one episode) played the harp, Seven played the spoons, and now Twelve plays the electric guitar. Somebody somewhere has to be doing a mash up of them playing together, right? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/264 "2015-10-12T18:44:05Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I don’t think so. But if it was already dead when the Doctor encountered it, then did the Doctor encounter its ghost? The alien was completely solid. As Missy and Davros demonstrated in the season premiere, it’s not really that unusual for a Doctor Who villain to inexplicably come back from the dead. They just don’t usually do it _before_ their first appearance on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/265 "2015-10-12T21:49:31Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > [You WERE aware there was such a thing as Dalek Porn, right?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZHpWRHxpZM) :smack: Of _course_ there is. And I’m sure the busy little pervs over at [fanfiction.net](http://fanfiction.net) have already written eight or nine Doctor/Davros slashfics. Not enough brainbleach in the world to make me click on that link, man. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/266 "2015-10-12T21:55:06Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Agreed disappointing. > > I take it as Moffat doing a thumb in the eye to those who dared criticize timey-whiminess. I think there’s also a Moffat thumb in the eye to the fangirls: it’s not the first time he’s a written a female character who squees with delight at meeting the Doctor only to be killed off abruptly. ---
**Author:** ![Sweetums](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Sweetums](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweetums)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/267 "2015-10-13T00:39:47Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > I think there’s also a Moffat thumb in the eye to the fangirls: it’s not the first time he’s a written a female character who squees with delight at meeting the Doctor only to be killed off abruptly. Yep. As soon as she let out the delighted “It’s bigger on the inside” I knew she was a gonner. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/268 "2015-10-13T01:14:26Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > Does anybody else think it’d be great if, whenever Clara exits the series, Missy became the regular “companion” character for the Doctor? How cool would it be for the two old Time Lords mates to go gallivanting around the universe together - one trying to save everyone and everything he encounters, the other randomly dispensing chaotic evil destruction in between dainty sips of tea? I have to say, I really like the Missy (AKA female Master) character. Since I kind of wondered when those two were going to hook up anyway. “Wait…now DAVROS is your ‘arch enemy’?!!” A couple of continuity points in episode 2 though: - I forget which episode, but I do distinctly recall Daleks begging for “mercy”. - No mention of the fact that when we first meet Clara she’s inside a Dalek? ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/269 "2015-10-13T02:12:52Z")
You’re thinking of “The Big Bang” when Eleven was trying to reboot the universe _and_ avoid the dalek unsuccessfully. It ended up facing River. That’s when it begged for mercy. Which I always found amusing since it never offered any to its victims ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/270 "2015-10-18T00:57:26Z")
Much better episode this week. “I’m not actually the police, you know. It just says that on the box.” ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/271 "2015-10-18T01:17:35Z")
Die sonic sunglasses! Die! ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e4f/32.png) [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_is_the_new_Analog)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/272 "2015-10-18T02:05:32Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > Die sonic sunglasses! Die! I was so hopeful when they broke them. But he’s wearing them in the preview for next week. Pretty good episode. Not really a cliff hanger for “to be continued”…it seems like it’s more of an arc. But whatever. 🙂 So we apparently have a new immortal out there…wonder how often she’ll show up now. Maybe **Declan** is [right.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=772452) ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/273 "2015-10-18T02:51:27Z")
> [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](#): > > I was so hopeful when they broke them. But he’s wearing them in the preview for next week. And it was a suitably silly way to get rid of a silly thing. I was really hoping that there would be a better explanation for the face than, “to remind me to save people, like I did that one dude with a younger version of this face”. They seem to linger on the word “hybrid” as applied Ashildr, which is probably meant to call back to Davros’ warning about the creation of the hybrid, but I thought that was explicitly supposed to be a Dalek-Timelord hybrid. Obviously a magnet for speculation. ---
**Author:** ![StarsApart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecc23a/32.png) [@StarsApart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarsApart)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/274 "2015-10-18T04:50:23Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > They seem to linger on the word “hybrid” as applied Ashildr, which is probably meant to call back to Davros’ warning about the creation of the hybrid, but I thought that was explicitly supposed to be a Dalek-Timelord hybrid. Obviously a magnet for speculation. He said “two great warrior races,” so it doesn’t have to be Time Lord/Dalek - could be the alien race from this episode and humans/Vikings. Or the Doctor/Donna, even, since she was shown in this episode (which I thought was pretty cool). ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/275 "2015-10-18T05:07:24Z")
> [@StarsApart](#): > > …the alien race from this episode… They’re called **The Mire**. ETA: [cite](http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-10-17/heres-what-doctor-who-monsters-the-mire-look-like-under-their-helmets) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/276 "2015-10-18T05:07:43Z")
> [@StarsApart](#): > > He said “two great warrior races,” so it doesn’t have to be Time Lord/Dalek - could be the alien race from this episode and humans/Vikings. Or the Doctor/Donna, even, since she was shown in this episode (which I thought was pretty cool). Right. Davros assumed that the the hybrid referred to Daleks … but he has created at least one other. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/277 "2015-10-18T05:15:22Z")
I really, really, really hope we just saw the introduction of the Doctor’s next companion. Ashildr is like Jamie and Leela combined with a dash of Romana. This whole season feels like a return to the roots of the series. What’s would be more fitting then than basing the latest companion on some of the best from the original run? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/278 "2015-10-18T05:54:31Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > I really, really, really hope we just saw the introduction of the Doctor’s next companion. Unfortunately she’s rather busy, so it might be a bit on the difficult side to get her. I imagine the schedules would clash. Having said that, how long is _Game of Thrones_ slated to last, anyway? Do they have an end-point? If next year’s _Doctor Who_ is, like its rumoured, only a couple of “TV Movie” length stories before a tenth season in 2017, maybe it would work out. ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/279 "2015-10-18T06:47:40Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Unfortunately she’s rather busy, so it might be a bit on the difficult side to get her. I imagine the schedules would clash. GoT takes about six months per season to make. But since it’s spread over many characters and locations, it’s likely that Masie Williams’ parts only take up a couple of months. Even if it took 3 months, that still leaves 9 months to do other stuff. > [@GuanoLad](#): > > Having said that, how long is _Game of Thrones_ slated to last, anyway? Do they have an end-point? At least two more seasons, probably three. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2015, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/280 "2015-10-18T07:36:56Z")
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