# Doctor Who Series 9 discussion (spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754 "2015-09-19T11:40:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e4f/32.png) [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_is_the_new_Analog)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2015, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/341 "2015-11-01T23:39:56Z")
I think the best I can say is that I actually didn’t dislike Peter Capaldi’s Doctor in most of that episode. That’s an improvement, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/342 "2015-11-02T00:34:48Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Eureka! After some sleuthing and searching across Google Maps, I have found it. They filmed in the Canary Islands, in a town called Tiscamanita. > > Police Station [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3523218,-14.036536,3a,75y,347.91h,94.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAB8zxdONEoX3X_-3YmwVhQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). The bins full of dead are [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3520596,-14.0361195,3a,75y,308.39h,82.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjOMOcp2Cm1mC5n9RMRW5QQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Where she enters the town is [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@28.3519248,-14.0355893,3a,75y,18.54h,90.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIXfuzbDO4Up5HjXPvjfK8A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). It certainly didn’t feel like it was really shot in America, the way some of the Smith eps were. What was with the sheriff’s (cop’s? sheriff cop’s?) uniform? Why did she have a Mexican flag on her chest? Having a flag at all was weird, but one for another country?!?! Whether she was supposed to be a cop or a sheriff, you’d think the wardrobe department could have google imaged up a picture and seen how wrong that was. Or was that supposed to be a clue that she was a Blorgon\*? If so, bravo. \*-I know, I don’t care, I’m calling them Blorgons, if you don’t like it call Constable Reggie. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/343 "2015-11-02T01:56:27Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Wow. Those UNIT personnel sure are stupid, aren’t they? [I still miss the old UNIT.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvmHPt2dt8) They weren’t afraid to shoot back, at least. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/344 "2015-11-02T04:08:09Z")
Yeah, but a couple Land Rovers and red berets and a Lethbridge Stewart did my soul some good. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/345 "2015-11-02T04:53:19Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Yeah, but a couple Land Rovers and red berets and a Lethbridge Stewart did my soul some good. I love the GRIN that Sergeant Benton has on his face when he gets to use a bazooka; now there’s a man who is happy in his work. They need the mighty Sergeant Benton to whip them into shape. [Bring back Benton!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqTZ6moXwO0) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/346 "2015-11-02T08:25:30Z")
And also, the whole business with the guitar? It’s not working. I know they’re going for a Keith Richards vibe, but it comes across more like someone’s dad fooling around in the garage. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/347 "2015-11-02T13:33:24Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > It certainly didn’t feel like it was really shot in America, the way some of the Smith eps were. Well, hard to duplicate Monument Valley, Utah… actually filming in the US makes it easier to get that “American feel”. Still, a lot of “American” westerns were filmed in Spain or its territories. For that matter, they re-used an old western set in Spain for “A Town Called Mercy”. > [@](#): > > What was with the sheriff’s (cop’s? sheriff cop’s?) uniform? Why did she have a Mexican flag on her chest? Having a flag at all was weird, but one for another country?!?! If you’re referring to the tri-color over her name tag that’s not a Mexican flag. Sort of an import lack there is the eagle wrestling with a rattlesnake on top of a cactus. You could just as easily, and somewhat more plausibly, argue it’s an Italian flag. So maybe it’s not a flag at all? Chicago cops have the Chicago city flag on their uniforms, is that odd? For that matter, the police officer in this episode has New Mexico flags or badges incorporating it on her sleeves. > [@Alessan](#): > > And also, the whole business with the guitar? It’s not working. I know they’re going for a Keith Richards vibe, but it comes across more like someone’s dad fooling around in the garage. I think they’re trying to make use of Capaldi’s musical skills, actually. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/348 "2015-11-02T17:17:56Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I think they’re trying to make use of Capaldi’s musical skills, actually. I imagine that none of that is actually in the script, and Peter Capaldi just brings his guitar to the set and bribes the crew to film him playing it on set and sneak the scenes into the final product. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/349 "2015-11-02T21:22:00Z")
So was I just not paying attention, or was that episode terribly confusing? How many small towns with zygonized population were there exactly? There was Truth or Consequences, which the brigadier’s daughter for some reason went to all by herself, and then that city the UNIT people first tried to bomb, then hilariously ineffectually invaded. Were those actuall the same? Also, was that supposed to be somewhere in some fictual -stan country? Mabe I stayed up too late yesterday… > [@Alessan](#): > > And also, the whole business with the guitar? It’s not working. I know they’re going for a Keith Richards vibe, but it comes across more like someone’s dad fooling around in the garage. Yes, that’s what I think, as well. Once was kinda neat, but they’ve shoehorned it into every episode since then, and it just feels terribly forced. ---
**Author:** ![MrAtoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MrAtoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrAtoz)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/350 "2015-11-02T21:35:14Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > [I still miss the old UNIT.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unvmHPt2dt8) They weren’t afraid to shoot back, at least. I am retroactively offended on behalf of [Harry Sullivan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Sullivan_%28Doctor_Who%29) for the suggestion that he invented an anti-Zygon nerve gas. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2015, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/351 "2015-11-02T22:26:32Z")
> [@MrAtoz](#): > > I am retroactively offended on behalf of [Harry Sullivan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Sullivan_%28Doctor_Who%29) for the suggestion that he invented an anti-Zygon nerve gas. Harry Sullivan is an imbecile! But he’s not a war criminal. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/352 "2015-11-03T00:22:57Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > I love the GRIN that Sergeant Benton has on his face when he gets to use a bazooka; now there’s a man who is happy in his work. They need the mighty Sergeant Benton to whip them into shape. [Bring back Benton!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqTZ6moXwO0) At least this alien menace is not immune to bullets. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/353 "2015-11-03T05:09:56Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > It certainly didn’t feel like it was really shot in America, the way some of the Smith eps were. > > What was with the sheriff’s (cop’s? sheriff cop’s?) uniform? Why did she have a Mexican flag on her chest? Having a flag at all was weird, but one for another country?!?! Whether she was supposed to be a cop or a sheriff, you’d think the wardrobe department could have google imaged up a picture and seen how wrong that was. > > Or was that supposed to be a clue that she was a Blorgon\*? If so, bravo. > \*-I know, I don’t care, I’m calling them Blorgons, if you don’t like it call Constable Reggie. When I spotted the seal for the sheriff’s department on the wall of an office that Kate entered through a door marked “Police”, I immediately thought, “Here’s a writer who learned all he knows about the American West from reruns of _Gunsmoke_ and _Bonanza_.” Sheriffs and police are both law enforcement agencies, but they’re not the same thing. And the deputy/officer’s American accent slipped a bit. On the other hand, the drone pilot’s accent sounded authentic enough. But then, she only had a few lines. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/354 "2015-11-03T15:07:57Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2015, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/355 "2015-11-03T20:12:38Z")
I was so positive Jac was going to turn out to be the Zygon. And where the hell is Kate’s “sister”? I hope she’s part of the resolution, somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e4f/32.png) [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_is_the_new_Analog)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/356 "2015-11-05T00:18:33Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > And also, the whole business with the guitar? It’s not working. I know they’re going for a Keith Richards vibe, but it comes across more like someone’s dad fooling around in the garage. Yes. I wasn’t going to complain, because I’m not a big music fan, and figured it was just me being casually annoyed at this part. But if others agree, I’m vindicated! VINDICATED, I SAY! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/357 "2015-11-05T01:33:38Z")
I know it’s hard to tell with him, but has the Doctor been literally bipolar since regenerating? If he were human I’d say he was going through a manic phase this series, building for a big crash. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/358 "2015-11-05T04:33:42Z")
> [@anyrose](#): > > I was so positive Jac was going to turn out to be the Zygon. And where the hell is Kate’s “sister”? I hope she’s part of the resolution, somehow. The resolution has to involve the box Osgood showed at the start and has to include some play on Schroedinger’s cat in which the state of an individual is neither/both Zygon and human … which Osgood has already been playing with. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/359 "2015-11-05T09:02:33Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The resolution has to involve the box Osgood showed at the start and has to include some play on Schroedinger’s cat in which the state of an individual is neither/both Zygon and human … which Osgood has already been playing with. And the Arc Word this season is “hybrid”. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2015, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/360 "2015-11-05T10:31:26Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Well, Jack does eventually die of old age after turning into a giant head after millions or billions or trillions or gajillions of years. FUN FACT: Struan Roger, who played Clayton in “The Woman Who Lived” also provided the voice for The Face of Boe in “New Earth” and “Gridlock”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754.md?page=19)