# Doctor Who Series 9 discussion (spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754 "2015-09-19T11:40:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/21 "2015-09-20T12:03:11Z")
[It is on Youtube now for anyone who missed it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXKbqtWnvFI) ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/22 "2015-09-20T13:06:33Z")
> [@anyrose](#): > > I like the way you think, **Don Draper**! > > The kid who played young Davros, did anyone else notice the similarity in appearance to Maisie Williams? Yup. Was so disappointed not to see her yet ☹ And I’m so disappointed with myself not to have instantly recognised the “YOU SO FINE” text as heralding the arrival of Missy, given the amount of times I’ve linked the “oh missy, you so fine!” fan video here! I’ll have to rewatch it as my in-laws spoke over a lot, but overall, a good start, with some good one-liners (battling with daffodils? Dude!) and Missy is my role model. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/23 "2015-09-20T13:17:24Z")
QUESTION: If the ax guy/Dalek was already at the renaissance fair thing, doesn’t that mean Davros actually already knew where the doctor was??? ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/24 "2015-09-20T13:21:05Z")
Hubbie thought ax guy/Bors had only been daleked when snake guy turned up and bit him during the tournament, ie just as Davros was finding out where The Doctor was. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/25 "2015-09-20T13:21:41Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > … what was the Doctor doing on Skaro then anyway, that he should just happen across the one person whose destiny he could so critically shape? Did he not know where he was? And when Davros first met the Fourth Doctor, why did he not recognise him as the Tardis piloting sonic screwdriver tossing Time Lord who had failed to save him? The guy’s a genius, surely he should have twigged as soon as he learnt that the guy who he’d captured was a Time Lord. … Lots falls apart on close examination in Who, including in this ep, but not this so much so. The Tardis is known to often place The Doctor where she feels he needs to be more than where he pilots her to go. One can ask why she felt he needed to be there but her ways are inscrutable. Having never knowingly met or known of a Time Lord thinking that Davros would put together, many many years later, that someone who looked and sounded very different was the same person … nah. OTOH Davros and his minion did not know where The Doctor was, right? The point of the “Where isss The Doctor?” bit. So then how the heck was a camouflaged Dalek already embedded as an axe-wielding fighter in order to procure the Tardis? Decent ep but structured more like modern super hero movie where the ride is the point and you are better off not thinking much. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/26 "2015-09-20T13:22:51Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Hubbie thought ax guy/Bos had only been daleked when snake guy turned up and bit him during the tournament, ie just as Davros was finding out where The Doctor was. Then no need to be camo’ed. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/27 "2015-09-20T13:24:48Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Hubbie thought ax guy/Bos had only been daleked when snake guy turned up and bit him during the tournament, ie just as Davros was finding out where The Doctor was. oh… ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/28 "2015-09-20T13:53:06Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > QUESTION: > > If the ax guy/Dalek was already at the renaissance fair thing, doesn’t that mean Davros actually already knew where the doctor was??? > [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > Hubbie thought ax guy/Bors had only been daleked when snake guy turned up and bit him during the tournament, ie just as Davros was finding out where The Doctor was. > [@DSeid](#): > > Then no need to be camo’ed. and here was going to say “wibbly wobbly, timey wimey” ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/29 "2015-09-20T13:56:40Z")
QUESTION Why was The Doctor convinced he had only one day to live? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/30 "2015-09-20T14:48:40Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > QUESTION > > Why was The Doctor convinced he had only one day to live? Not answered yet? I’m not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/31 "2015-09-20T15:13:18Z")
My guess: because he knew Davros was looking for him, knew he had to go see Davros, and knew it was probably going to kill him. When the Doctor reacted to Missy, Clara and the Tardis’s “deaths” I thought Capaldi’s performance was very hammy, but I have a fanwank for that. It’s not Capaldi being hammy. It’s the Doctor being hammy. Because he knows as well as we do that it’s all a big psyche. HOW, I’m not sure. Probably because he’s set it all up from the beginning. Like, Missy and Clara are fakebots or something. I dunno, I’m not in the habit of creating Gambit Pileups, but it’s the sort of thing the Doctor does in his sleep now. Gosh, anyone would think I’m getting a little fatigued with Moffat’s plots. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/32 "2015-09-20T15:15:21Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > My guess: because he knew Davros was looking for him, knew he had to go see Davros, and knew it was probably going to kill him. > > When the Doctor reacted to Missy, Clara and the Tardis’s “deaths” I thought Capaldi’s performance was very hammy, but I have a fanwank for that. It’s not Capaldi being hammy. It’s the Doctor being hammy. Because he knows as well as we do that it’s all a big psyche. > > HOW, I’m not sure. Probably because he’s set it all up from the beginning. Like, Missy and Clara are fakebots or something. I dunno, I’m not in the habit of creating Gambit Pileups, but it’s the sort of thing the Doctor does in his sleep now. > > Gosh, anyone would think I’m getting a little fatigued with Moffat’s plots. Yeah… but That first 5 minutes were… WOW ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/33 "2015-09-20T15:22:30Z")
There’s always the Tesselecta ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/34 "2015-09-20T15:29:14Z")
Oh, don’t misunderstand, I LIKED it, as I like pretty much like all Doctor Who that doesn’t have egg-moons and Earth-coddling-forests. Just feeling that it’s high time Moffat realised people are finding this “everything blows up and everyone dies AGAIN” tic really _boring_ and stopped doing it. Meanwhile, I just went back to TVtropes to see if I remembered the concept of the Gambit Pileup properly. Oh, look what the largest entry is in the TV section. Just fancy that. ETA: oh, yeah the Tesselecta, that’s what I meant by ‘fakebots’. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Richard\_John\_Marcej](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_John_Marcej)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/35 "2015-09-20T16:02:46Z")
While this isn’t directly about last night’s premiere episode, broadcast on BBC America, I was pleased to see that in today’s lineup of _ **The Doctor’s Finest Moments Marathon** _ that they’re **actually** showing episodes from the Doctor’s series prior to this century. Granted, it’s part of a “Breakfast with Baker” bit, still, it’s nice to see some of the original series get some airtime. And in keeping with last night’s premiere theme, they just ran **Genesis of the Daleks** which was the first appearance of Davros. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/36 "2015-09-20T17:04:46Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > [It is on Youtube now for anyone who missed it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXKbqtWnvFI) And LEGALLY, by BBC America. Have they done that before? ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/37 "2015-09-20T19:24:38Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > And sorry, Moffatt, but you’ve gone to the Doctor Faces His End And Puts His Affairs In Order and The Tardis Has Been Destroyed well too many times, not to mention the one labelled Companion X Has Totally Been Killed OK. It doesn’t have any dramatic weight when we know it’s all going to be resolved and reset at the end of next week: you want the narrative heft of killing characters without carrying the dramatic weight of actually making the deaths stick, and it’s just cheap and lazy writing. Exactly. When Missy and Clara got “EX-TER-MIN-ATE!”-ed (which I assume is the only correct verb for death-by-Dalek), I thought “…eh.” I _knew_ it was a fake, as we all did. Hell, I started thinking that as soon as Missy figured out that the space station was an illusion. Speaking of Missy, I’m loving seeing her back, but I am afraid that Moffatt will do to her what he did to the Weeping Angels and - according to some but not me - to River Song; use them so often that they become camp versions of themselves. The intro scene, however, was fantastic. And the hand mines are the creepiest thing Moff’s come up with since the Silence. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/38 "2015-09-20T20:03:16Z")
Why was Skaro even there, albeit painted invisible? The 6th Doctor gamed Davros into blowing it up at the end of _Remembrance of the Daleks_\*? Did he put it back? \*an awesome story, and Sylvester McCoy at his finest. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/39 "2015-09-20T20:35:43Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > And LEGALLY, by BBC America. Have they done that before? I think they have, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/40 "2015-09-20T20:55:51Z")
What Moffatt does excel at is crafting dialogue for the right actor to create the perfect character: he doesn’t always get the combination right - see River Song - but when he does, you get Sally Sparrow, Rory Williams, and Michelle Gomez as Missy. Her take on the Master is perfect, and you have to listen closely to catch all her quips: Shall we make jam? I’ll scratch his eye out! What Moffatt and Gomez have created might be the best screen Joker of all time, and any other flaws in the writing aside, I’ll watch the show to enjoy her witheringly explaining to Clara why she’s the pet dog, before disintegrating random pedestrians to point out that she hasn’t turned _good_. And then breaking into a soft-shoe shuffle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754.md?page=3)