# Doctor Who Series 9 discussion (spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754 "2015-09-19T11:40:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/101 "2015-09-24T21:14:22Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t think a sonic screwdriver is meant to be all that high-tech, relatively speaking. We’ve seen other people with access to “sonic tech,” including Jack Harkness in his first appearance. And Skaros isn’t technologically backwards - just badly damaged by war and with equipment in short supply. Their tech base should actually be highly advanced. You can see by those hand mines that the gene tech that’s eventually going to turn the Dalek race into little globs of highly armored mucous is already pretty far along. Your point is certainly a good one. But I’m going to laugh like hell if I’m right. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/102 "2015-09-24T21:15:32Z")
So y’all are not even going to acknowledge that I have a canonical answer here? > [@anyrose](#): > > Re The whole timey wimey issue of when the Doctor and Davros met, yes, \*\*Genesis of \*\* was the first time they met, but using the same history changing device last seen in **A Christmas Carol** , wherein, as soon as Eleven appeared in his bedroom as a child, old man Kazran remembered him, Twelve, in his own timeline, _did_ just stumble on young Davros, and as soon as he did, old sick dying Davros remembered. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/103 "2015-09-24T21:39:05Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > That’s what I get for not paying attention since the Baker years… well, except for when Ace could kill a Dalek with a baseball bat… [To be fair, it did call her small.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYR5lINNrsE) I miss Ace. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2015, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/104 "2015-09-24T21:46:44Z")
> [@anyrose](#): > > So y’all are not even going to acknowledge that I have a canonical answer here? You’re correct, of course, but I never got that far in my reasoning. Doctor Who has a history of heavy use of the trope called “Ass Pull.” To be fair, they’re often GOOD ass pulls… [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssPull) ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e4f/32.png) [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_is_the_new_Analog)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/105 "2015-09-25T01:16:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Lots of ways to fanwank this one. > > 1. The Doctor would only send one of those things to a fellow Time Lord. The last three times we saw the Master in the new show, it was a shock to the Doctor that he was still alive. All the other times his life was in danger, he thought he was the last of his kind, and had no one to send it to. This time, though, he already knew Missy was alive, and had some idea how to contact her. > > 2. In all the other instances of certain death, the Doctor had some plan, or at least hope of a plan, that would allow him to survive the circumstances. In this story, in his guilt over abandoning an innocent child, he’s accepted that he deserves whatever Davros is going to do to him, and is fully willing to accept it, and his death. So he sends Missy the compact to settle matters between them. > > 3. The Doctor _does_ have a plan, and the plan requires Missy in some way, and he knew the only way he could get her attention (and simultaneously prove that it came from him) was by something as dramatic as sending her his Last Will and Make-Up Mirror. > > None of these explanations are likely to survive viewing the second part of this story. 😃 1. Missy lied. ---
**Author:** ![Fleetwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fleetwood/32/271_2.png) [@Fleetwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fleetwood)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/106 "2015-09-25T12:43:52Z")
When the Doctor appeared playing the guitar, if he was wearing a white lab coat with a bottle of hooch in the pocket, I would have thought I was watching a live-action Rick and Morty. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/107 "2015-09-25T18:00:05Z")
> [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](#): > > 1. Missy lied. I like the way you think. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/108 "2015-09-26T00:23:10Z")
> [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](#): > > 1. Missy lied. That hadn’t occurred to me, but you’re absolutely right. Maybe the Doctor’s Last Will and Concealer _was_ in fact her makeup compact. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/109 "2015-09-26T00:30:01Z")
Doesn’t she walk up to the Doctor, show him the compact, and say something like, “I got your message?” The fact that he doesn’t go, “What message? Also, how are you alive? Also, why aren’t we trying to kill each other right now?” indicates that the compact was just what Missy said it was. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/110 "2015-09-26T00:34:29Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > That hadn’t occurred to me, but you’re absolutely right. Maybe the Doctor’s Last Will and Concealer _was_ in fact her makeup compact. 😃 The [on line prologue](http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2015/09/watch-new-doctor-who-season-9-prologue/) showed him giving it to the leader of the sisterhood on Karn, that she knows who to give it to, after she told him that he owes that creature nothing. But “He and I have known each other a long time” It came from The Doctor. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/111 "2015-09-26T00:42:55Z")
On rewatch got a joke that I had missed. “I’ll go mediate on a rock somewhere.” Or with rock? Oh “the creature” in reference was not Missy if I made that unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/112 "2015-09-26T00:58:00Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The [on line prologue](http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2015/09/watch-new-doctor-who-season-9-prologue/) showed him giving it to the leader of the sisterhood on Karn, that she knows who to give it to, after she told him that he owes that creature nothing. But “He and I have known each other a long time” > > It came from The Doctor. Hadn’t seen that. Yeah, you and **Miller** are right. Fun to think of the Master learning how to apply foundation and blush, though. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/113 "2015-09-26T01:31:54Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > “I’ll go mediate on a rock somewhere.” Or with rock? When the snake guy was on Karn talking to the sister, for a short moment they showed the Doctor in silhouette on a rock watching the discussion in secret. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/114 "2015-09-26T03:00:25Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > When the snake guy was on Karn talking to the sister, for a short moment they showed the Doctor in silhouette on a rock watching the discussion in secret. I was thinking rock guitar. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e4f/32.png) [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_is_the_new_Analog)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/115 "2015-09-26T13:58:44Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > The [on line prologue](http://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2015/09/watch-new-doctor-who-season-9-prologue/) showed him giving it to the leader of the sisterhood on Karn, that she knows who to give it to, after she told him that he owes that creature nothing. But “He and I have known each other a long time” > > It came from The Doctor. Ok..then I’ll go with 5) The Doctor lied. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/116 "2015-09-26T14:18:16Z")
More likely! Of course Missy could still be lying about what the make-up compact and mirror set actually _is_. The Doctor just asked head sister to deliver it; he did not identify it as “Last Will and Testament.” It may have been an invitation and part of a plan. Timelords, the lot of them. Never believe a word they say! ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/117 "2015-09-26T14:30:33Z")
I’m sort of wondering why Snake Guy is working for Davros… or, for that matter, why Davros is employing Snake Guy. This may be the only time we’ve ever seen Davros work with ANYONE other than Daleks, since the Kaleds got wiped out… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/118 "2015-09-26T15:45:41Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > I’m sort of wondering why Snake Guy is working for Davros… I’m guessing he made him. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/119 "2015-09-26T16:17:38Z")
Ah. It starts to fit. He controls no Daleks now. Which fits with the camouflaged Dalek axe fighter. The Daleks knew where he was before Davros and snake guy did. He needs snake guy because in this time line at this point the Daleks are completely independent actors with an agenda separate than Davros’. Davros couldn’t have cared less about procuring the Tardis right now. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/120 "2015-09-26T16:48:26Z")
Bors (the ax fighter) was _not_ Dalek-ized until Snake Guy showed up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754.md?page=7)