# Doctor Who Series 9 discussion (spoilers as it airs) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2015, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754 "2015-09-19T11:40:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/141 "2015-09-27T13:16:07Z")
(replying to anyrose) Does “our” Clara remember being Oswin the Souffle’ girl though? ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/142 "2015-09-27T13:17:19Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > (replying to anyrose) > > Does “our” Clara remember being Oswin the Souffle’ girl though? I doubt she remembers consciously ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/143 "2015-09-27T14:06:51Z")
> [@Cinnamon\_Imp](#): > > (replying to anyrose) > > Does “our” Clara remember being Oswin the Souffle’ girl though? No. Eleven asks her about it in “Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS”, when they’re standing on the cliff: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27AFcENDNyg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27AFcENDNyg) ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/144 "2015-09-27T14:10:57Z")
> [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](#): > > No. Eleven asks her about it in “Journey To The Centre Of The TARDIS”, when they’re standing on the cliff: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27AFcENDNyg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27AFcENDNyg) That’s because she hadn’t splintered yet. Once she splintered in “Name of the Doctor” and was then rescued, she conceivably retained a subconscious memory of Soufflé Girl, Victorian Clara, and every other splinter. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/145 "2015-09-27T14:21:34Z")
> [@anyrose](#): > > But if you believe the Doctor, he knew all along that touching the cables was all part of Davros’ plan, so who was playing Who? 😉 As soon as I saw it happening, I assumed the Doctor knew what he was doing. It was far too stupid for him to do otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/146 "2015-09-27T14:22:29Z")
> [@The\_Hamster\_King](#): > > I disagree. I thought last season’s Doctor came off as pinched and dyspeptic. I much prefer the aging punk rocker we saw in the first episode of this season. Ditto. And I wanted to hate the tank and the shredding, but it was so over the top and hammy that I found it funny. > [@Penfeather](#): > > Also the electric scooter he’s got hidden under his robes makes me hum Snakeguy On A Segway to the tune of Girlfriend In A Coma. HA! I initially thought he was roller-skating, because he seemed to be leaning as one does when skating. That kind of un-did the seriousness of Snakeguy. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/147 "2015-09-27T14:36:27Z")
Are they really ditching his sonic screwdriver? I support it if they do. The glasses are just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/148 "2015-09-27T14:48:50Z")
LIKES: Peter Capaldi’s new take on the Doctor. He’s frankly much more fun than the unpleasant character he played last season. Missy. It would have taken a lot to top John Simm’s manic turn as the Master, and this lady got the chops. Again, we infiltrate the city of the Daleks by climbing into a Dalek shell! Loved that. Again, we put Clara into a Dalek shell! Nice callback. Part of me thinks we may be using the Daleks too much, part of me thinks it’s nice to see Dalek psychology and physiology fleshed out. Dalek sewers are indeed revolting. DISLIKES: This is the first interpretation of the Master who seems to be rather unfocused. She’s just doin’ it For The Evulz, as opposed to having some sort of master plan, if you’ll pardon the pun. Why’d the Doctor send out the disc in the first place? He seemed to think he was gonna die. Hell, he’s almost died every time he’s tangled with the Daleks. Why now send out the disc? Clara seemed to be holding the stupid ball the whole episode. She’s been tough and smart in the past, but at the climax, she’s whimpering and panicking and jabbering. THIS is the girl who splintered throughout time and saved the Doctor’s bacon? Man, just go back to “TARDIS is in a state of temporal grace,” as opposed to “It’ll reassemble itself.” It feels too much like a deus ex machina. Hell, it IS a deus ex machina. In “Revelation of the Daleks,” the Doctor tricks Davros into blowing up Skaro. In this episode, Davros handwaves the whole thing with, “Oh, the Daleks put it back together.” Hah? Dalek sewers are indeed revolting. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/149 "2015-09-27T14:59:58Z")
I hope the new Master(Missy) stays around for many seasons to come. Lord knows they can do this. Just look at River Song. She is going to outlive/outlast everyone else on the show. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/150 "2015-09-27T15:11:58Z")
Although now that I think about it, it was fascinating to see someone playing Davros who was actually given an opportunity to ACT. Takes TALENT to convince an audience that Davros has any human emotions other than those he gave the Daleks. Hell, I don’t think DAVROS has that much acting talent… but the actor was GOOD! ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/151 "2015-09-27T15:28:38Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > And I just found the [Dalek Relaxation Tape](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e59guruVL4o): > > THE ACHES AND STRESSES OF DAILY LIFE ARE FLOATING AWAY TY for this. It’s causing immense hilarity in my FB feed. My sick friends are now imagining Dalek voice-overs for all kinds of things. Including pr0n. “DO ME NOW! NOW! IM-MED-I-ATE-LY! HAR-DER!” erm…/hijack ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/152 "2015-09-27T15:32:33Z")
Also pleased with the ep but as always, don’t think about it too hard. How did “mercy” get in there? Through Dalek’s getting it from their father because The Doctor planted it there in his childhood? Okay that could explain why that Dalek in a past season could see beauty and mercy once his emotional dampers were damaged, but the Dalek inside the shell was killed before Clara went in. The shell is not the Dalek. But better to just enjoy it! ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/153 "2015-09-27T15:40:07Z")
Hmm, the shell is imprinted with Davros’s emotional control program though, which now happen to include a buried command for Mercy since 12 went back for boy-Davros? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/154 "2015-09-27T16:42:40Z")
They have mentioned mercy before. [Mercy!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtJwZjZGABw) ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/155 "2015-09-27T16:45:50Z")
That seen has always amused me. Here’s this killing machine, with no filter as to who to kill, and it’s aiming at this person facing it, ready to disintegrate her; and when it finds it has no fire power or defensive mechanism, begs _her_ for mercy. This is not the only baddie to have done this. House, in **the Doctor’s Wife** , behaved similarly ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/156 "2015-09-27T19:08:43Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > Takes TALENT to convince an audience that Davros has any human emotions other than those he gave the Daleks. Hell, I don’t think DAVROS has that much acting talent… but the actor was GOOD! Especially under eight pounds of prosthetics. Yeah, he was damn good. Also I just love that the Doctor pried him out of his chair, dumped him on the floor, and went joyriding around. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/157 "2015-09-27T20:00:17Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Are they really ditching his sonic screwdriver? > > I support it if they do. The glasses are just fine. I can live without the glasses - they’re trying a bit too hard - and I suspect they’ll be dropped quietly after a while, or at least stepped on; they don’t offer the same opportunities for stage business that the screwdriver does, apart from anything. And {draws self up to full fanboy height} _ob_-viously the Doctor must have been using the sonic screwdriver in River Song’s penultimate meeting with him, in order to give it to her and prepare her for the events of _Silence in the Library_ {slouches on computer chair}. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/158 "2015-09-27T20:14:04Z")
In classic Who the screwdriver was destroyed during Peter Davison’s time as the doctor, and it wasn’t brought back until the 2005 reboot of the show. Hopefully this time the screwdriver won’t be gone too long. Question. Isn’t the Doctor at the end of his regenerations? How did he have any regenerative energy left? ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/159 "2015-09-27T20:17:31Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Especially under eight pounds of prosthetics. Yeah, he was damn good. Also I just love that the Doctor pried him out of his chair, dumped him on the floor, and went joyriding around. Damn straight. We need more of THAT Doctor. Even mercy has its limits. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2015, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754/160 "2015-09-27T20:24:16Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > Question. Isn’t the Doctor at the end of his regenerations? Nah, he explicitly got a new set on the Smith -\> Capaldi change over, but it wasn’t a hard limit anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-discussion-spoilers-as-it-airs/731754.md?page=9)