# Doctor Who Series 9 Trailer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 27, 2015, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296 "2015-07-27T04:47:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/21 "2015-07-28T03:04:46Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I just hope that at some point, the Doctor will be allowed to have some fun. Maybe be a bit less of an arsehole. I found that Season 8 actually works really, really well. As a single episode. I honestly think it’s probably one of the most “arc-y” Who series, in that the entire series had character development and change in both Clara and the Doctor. A lot of the early series didn’t really “work” with the Doctor being a dick, but if you binge rewatch the season, it’s actually much less grating than it was week to week. The Doctor doesn’t really know who he is, or what he’s like. He’s stuck in this state of trying to kind of make the same sort of quips he did as 11, but they come off as assholish instead of endearing. He comes more into his own, and finds his own way by the time we get to Mummy, and he’s actually really fun and has great chemistry with Clara by the finale and especially the Christmas special. It was really awkward, and I didn’t like Capaldi a lot as the first half of the series was airing, but on a rewatch, it works a lot better taken as a whole than it did as a weekly serialized monster of the week show. (It doesn’t help that it seems like Capaldi wanted to play neo-Pertwee and the writers kind of wanted him to be Space Malcolm Tucker) ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/22 "2015-07-28T03:40:44Z")
He was also quite a jarring transition from the My First Fantasy Space Boyfriend writing that the show had sunken into with Matt Smith, as well, especially for those who weren’t used to the idea that the Doctor wasn’t always about billing and cooing at new-found female fans; in the older shows, he was quite prepared to be aloof, arrogant and downright condescending. Given that Capaldi plays the first of the Doctor’s new round of regenerations, I think he’s very much a callback to William Hartnell, who was a rude, arrogant old man who refused to suffer fools at all. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/23 "2015-07-28T03:47:00Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > He was also quite a jarring transition from the My First Fantasy Space Boyfriend writing that the show had sunken into with Matt Smith, as well, especially for those who weren’t used to the idea that the Doctor wasn’t always about billing and cooing at new-found female fans; in the older shows, he was quite prepared to be aloof, arrogant and downright condescending. Given that Capaldi plays the first of the Doctor’s new round of regenerations, I think he’s very much a callback to William Hartnell, who was a rude, arrogant old man who refused to suffer fools at all. [This will never get old](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZk-5vaxUk) ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/24 "2015-07-28T04:52:39Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > [This will never get old](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZk-5vaxUk) That’s fucking awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/25 "2015-07-28T13:21:17Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Michelle Gomez is hilarious and I hope we get to see her often. More often than Daleks at any rate. Not only was she funny, she was EVIL. That was my beef with RTD’s/John Simm’s take on The Master. Crazy is boring. Evil is interesting. My favorite line in Nu Who was Derek Jacobi as The Master, “Oh good. Now I can say it was self-defense.” ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/26 "2015-07-28T13:46:28Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Michelle Gomez is hilarious and I hope we get to see her often. More often than Daleks at any rate. [Oh Missy you’re so fine…](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8dyaN4yW_0) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/27 "2015-07-28T14:07:40Z")
Funny - I liked Simms quite a bit, and _hated_ Gomez. But then, I don’t find evil that interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/28 "2015-07-28T15:58:57Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > Is … Is Maisie Williams playing Susan? Because that would be incredible. That was my thought too. It would be very like Moffat to go there. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/29 "2015-07-29T02:21:35Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Not only was she funny, she was EVIL. That was my beef with RTD’s/John Simm’s take on The Master. Crazy is boring. Evil is interesting. My favorite line in Nu Who was Derek Jacobi as The Master, “Oh good. Now I can say it was self-defense.” Yeah, great actress, great comedienne, and awesome at evil. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/30 "2015-07-29T06:52:56Z")
> [@Jragon](#): > > (It doesn’t help that it seems like Capaldi wanted to play neo-Pertwee and the writers kind of wanted him to be Space Malcolm Tucker) As someone who\* loves\* Jon Pertwee’s Doctor and\* hates\* Malcolm Tucker, I want to point out that I TOLD YOU SO. I said, “Oh, no, I don’t want to watch angry Scottish snot Doctor.” And people said, “Oh no, Capaldi has range.” HA. What use is range when you’re so typecast? ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/31 "2015-07-29T07:41:53Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Not only was she funny, she was EVIL. That was my beef with RTD’s/John Simm’s take on The Master. Crazy is boring. Evil is interesting. My favorite line in Nu Who was Derek Jacobi as The Master, “Oh good. Now I can say it was self-defense.” Nobody makes a _moue_ quite like Michelle Gomez. And yeah, her brand of gleeful evil was much closer to Classic Master {who, in his first incarnation not only shrank people until their corpses were dessicated dolls, but then left them in their own lunchboxes for someone to find} than John Simms Hi I’m Off My Meds Master. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/32 "2015-07-29T14:39:17Z")
Roger Delgato and Anthony Ainley had The Evil Laugh[sup]\*[/sup] down pat. Perhaps if John Simm had done more sinister chuckling and less running around screaming, I might have liked him better. - The best Evil Laugh has to be Max Von Sydow as Ming the Merciless. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/33 "2015-07-29T20:53:10Z")
> [@Mollie\_Magill](#): > > Roger Delgato and Anthony Ainley had The Evil Laugh[sup]\*[/sup] down pat. Perhaps if John Simm had done more sinister chuckling and less running around screaming, I might have liked him better. > > - The best Evil Laugh has to be Max Von Sydow as Ming the Merciless. Roger Delgado made the perfect foil to Jon Pertwee because he was just so fucking \*happy \* being bad. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/34 "2015-07-30T02:24:48Z")
> [@Nonsuch](#): > > That was my thought too. It would be very like Moffat to go there. I’ve never watched or read GoT … anyone care to explain what is so “there” there? ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/35 "2015-07-30T03:30:43Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > I’ve never watched or read GoT … anyone care to explain what is so “there” there? It has nothing to do with _Game of Thrones_, or Maisie Williams specifically. Susan Foreman was in the very first episodes of Doctor Who as the Doctor’s Granddaughter. Subsequently, as more canon was established, her existence started to go against what was being painted, and for some people she was effectively retconned away. Since the revival, both Russell T Davies and Steven Moffat have tried to reconcile some of the contradictions and untapped suggestions of the original series, so Moffat revisiting Susan and explaining her absence, and presence, is exactly the kind of thing he’d want to get his hands dirty with. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/36 "2015-08-04T00:15:06Z")
I’m going to make the same guess I make every time we’re introduced to a new female character with an uncertain connection to the Doctor’s past: Romana. Some day, I’m going to be right about that. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/37 "2015-08-04T09:07:24Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m going to make the same guess I make every time we’re introduced to a new female character with an uncertain connection to the Doctor’s past: Romana. > > Some day, I’m going to be right about that. She calls him “Old Man”. That would also fit. If the Doctor is searching for Gallifrey, encounters with more Time Lords would make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/38 "2015-08-04T09:13:33Z")
Theoretically, the Doctor’s clone daughter is still out there. ---
**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296/39 "2015-08-04T14:51:45Z")
For what it’s worth — and it may be worth very little — Moffat is saying Maisie Williams is playing a completely new character. I like the Romana idea, though. Hadn’t considered that. She was still in E-Space so she could have survived the Time War. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-9-trailer/726296.md?page=1)