# Doctor Who Series Five: UK pace thread \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851 "2010-04-03T21:23:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/741 "2010-06-20T10:29:49Z")
> [@hermette](#): > > Possibly stolen from Captain Jack’s severed wrist, if I understood that scene right…? Maybe, maybe not. There are more time agents than just Jack. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/742 "2010-06-20T10:47:18Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > You mean someone on this thread _doesn’t_ have a GallifreyBase account? 😉 I don’t. I find the concept of an entire forum of people who tuck their shirts into their underpants somewhat worrying…😃 ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/743 "2010-06-20T10:53:25Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m still in shock with this one. This has to be a dream scenario or alternate reality. > > There’s no way the Doctor could defeat an alliance of his most feared enemies. > > I don’t understand the one dismembered Cyberman. Why was he there? How does he fit into the trap? The fake Romans were already in place to capture the Doctor. > > Lot of questions and no answers. I have a nasty feeling that it is going to require a **HUGE** RTD-style reset button: Perhaps that the Doctor is hallucinating and still in the ‘_Amy’s Choice_’ episode. :smack: Gawd, I hope not! ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/744 "2010-06-20T11:11:51Z")
> [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](#): > > I have a nasty feeling that it is going to require a **HUGE** RTD-style reset button: Perhaps that the Doctor is hallucinating and still in the ‘_Amy’s Choice_’ episode. :smack: Gawd, I hope not! Or maybe he landed in Amy’s dream, and all of this is in her head. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/745 "2010-06-20T12:52:56Z")
I agree. I suspect the last episode will involve the Doctor jumping in/out of time cracks fixing events. Basically a reset of things that went terribly wrong. Some questions may not get answered. They can only cover so much in 45 min. I don’t expect many answers about River. They probably want to bring her back for new stories. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/746 "2010-06-20T13:04:03Z")
I thought I remembered reading somewhere (sorry, no cite) that they were going to wrap up the River Song storyline in this season, but at this point that just doesn’t seem very likely. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/747 "2010-06-20T13:33:56Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > I’ll look forward to the stunning conclusion, which just so happens to be on my birthday. 🙂 Mine too! Cool to know that our birthday is the base code of the universe, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/748 "2010-06-20T13:42:14Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I agree. I suspect the last episode will involve the Doctor jumping in/out of time cracks fixing events. Basically a reset of things that went terribly wrong. Some questions may not get answered. They can only cover so much in 45 min. It’s a 55 minute long episode next week. I’m reasonably confident that Moffat won’t go for too much of a big-red-button reset. It certainly looks like there’s been stuff all through this season pointing towards the resolution. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/749 "2010-06-20T18:16:38Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > So, why does he offer no resistance as he’s strapped in the Pandorica for eternity? Wouldn’t he rather die fighting then spend eternity in that box? Because there’s no possible way he could come out on top in a physical fight with three Daleks, some Cybermen, armed Silurians, a few Judoon, and assorted others while plastic Romans are restraining his arms, and being locked in a box is preferable to being beaten to a pulp _and then_ locked in a box. > [@](#): > > Maybe the Doctor has a plan? Somehow he thinks there’s a way to break out of the Pandorica? It seems impossible. There’s always hope. Especially if you haven’t yet been beaten to a pulp. > [@levdrakon](#): > > We know River doesn’t die in the Tardis explosion. She dies on the Library planet. Hmm. Time can be rewritten. It won’t be, of course, but it’s been established repeated that it could, and in specific reference to the Doctor and River’s relationship. > [@Merijeek](#): > > What was the “Silence will fall” voice that River kept hearing? I know we’ve heard that phrase a number of times, but which voice was that? We’re not meant to know yet. > [@](#): > > And why were the rhino-guys involved? I thought they were part of the Shadow Proclamation, and presumably not part of the Evil Association? They’re the police, but they’re a kind of thuggish police force for hire. > [@aceplace57](#): > > Basically a reset of things that went terribly wrong. Some questions may not get answered. They can only cover so much in 45 min. All he’s really got to do is get out of the box, keep the Tardis from exploding, and save Amy’s life. Should be easy enough. ---
**Author:** ![Cort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@Cort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cort)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/750 "2010-06-20T22:04:44Z")
Fuck me, that episode was _mental!_. I usually have an idea about how Dr. Who cliffhangers will resolve themselves (and I’m usually wrong) but this time I genuinely have no idea how they’re going to get out of this. ---
**Author:** ![Electric\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Electric\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electric_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/751 "2010-06-20T22:32:04Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Damn it, Rory looks hot as a Roman. Rowr! Get in line! 😛 > [@](#): > > We know River doesn’t die in the Tardis explosion. She dies on the Library planet. Hmm. River has Jack’s time vortex manipulator, so she can do a time jump and get out of the exploding TARDIS. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/752 "2010-06-20T22:49:51Z")
I wonder if there is any significance to the Cyberman helmet using the Borg’s copyrighted catchphrase of “you will be assimilated” instead of their typical “you will be upgraded” ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/753 "2010-06-20T22:56:20Z")
See, the phrase “Rory looks hot” just doesn’t make sense to me. He’s likable enough (_like_-able), but hot? _De gustibus_ and all that. The following is really just questions and speculation, but spoiler-boxed for safety:[spoiler]_Does_ River have the vortex manipulator, or does the Doctor? It would make sense for her to leave it for him as she was taking the Tardis. I didn’t see either wearing it in the final scenes. (I think she has a wristwatch, but I’m not watching it frame by frame – again.) He’s keeping his fists firmly clenched while sitting inside the Pandorica. Could he be holding on to something?[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/754 "2010-06-20T22:59:33Z")
> [@MacTech](#): > > I wonder if there is any significance to the Cyberman helmet using the Borg’s copyrighted catchphrase of “you will be assimilated” instead of their typical “you will be upgraded” The voice in the Tardis is Q! ---
**Author:** ![Electric\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Electric\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electric_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/755 "2010-06-20T23:03:07Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > See, the phrase “Rory looks hot” just doesn’t make sense to me. He’s likable enough (_like_-able), but hot? _De gustibus_ and all that. > > The following is really just questions and speculation, but spoiler-boxed for safety:[spoiler]_Does_ River have the vortex manipulator, or does the Doctor? It would make sense for her to leave it for him as she was taking the Tardis. I didn’t see either wearing it in the final scenes. (I think she has a wristwatch, but I’m not watching it frame by frame – again.) > > He’s keeping his fists firmly clenched while sitting inside the Pandorica. Could he be holding on to something?[/spoiler] I have a bit of a thing for soft-spoken Englshmen. Plus Arthur Darvill has really intense eyes. Oh! I didn’t think of that! Very likely, especially since River, having met a future version of the Doctor, probably knew what was going on the whole time. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2010, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/756 "2010-06-20T23:18:25Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > The voice in the Tardis is Q! [Q] Temper, temper, Mon Docteur![/Q] Hmm, perhaps “Q”=“The Master”… both of them sure have patronizing/taunting senses of humour, and seem to enjoy annoying/tricking their “opposites” (Q/Picard, The Doctor/The Master) ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/757 "2010-06-21T01:49:54Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > [li]Why does the TARDIS exploding end the universe? The TARDIS is just one of many of its type, it seems a pretty huge design flaw that destroying one would obliterate the whole space-time continuum[/li] Well it is linked to and powered by the Eye of Harmony, an artificial black hole of unknown size. Presumably it’s bang would be very big (Big?). I’m sure the Time Lords were (over)confident of their ability to make them indestructible. > [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > Maybe, maybe not. There are more time agents than just Jack. They did seem to go out of the way to point out it was a “handsome” time agent, though. > [@TWDuke](#): > > Because there’s no possible way he could come out on top in a physical fight with three Daleks, some Cybermen, armed Silurians, a few Judoon, and assorted others while plastic Romans are restraining his arms, and being locked in a box is preferable to being beaten to a pulp _and then_ locked in a box. But he knows Venusian aikido! The Third Doctor would [never have put up with that](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMAab89iINM)! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/758 "2010-06-21T02:22:37Z")
> [@duality72](#): > > They did seem to go out of the way to point out it was a “handsome” time agent, though. Yeah, we were meant to assume it’s Jack. Whether or not it is, of course, is a whole other question. Besides, this is Jack. He’ll be more annoyed at the loss of his bling than his hand. Maybe this is what’s going to keep him on Earth since T3 ended with him taking a vacation from the place? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/759 "2010-06-21T07:40:08Z")
I’m not a **Torchwood** watcher, so the last time I saw Jack’s vortex manipulator it had been disabled by the Doctor (again). Did he get it working again (again)? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2010, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/760 "2010-06-21T07:52:37Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > I’m not a **Torchwood** watcher, so the last time I saw Jack’s vortex manipulator it had been disabled by the Doctor (again). Did he get it working again (again)? As far as I remember, Jack doesn’t have TT capability. He used his watch thing to signal a passing ship and at the moment, he’s in our time period, but hanging around off-earth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851.md?page=39)