# Doctor Who Series Five: UK pace thread \[edited title\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2010, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851 "2010-04-03T21:23:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 41
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/801 "2010-06-24T00:00:24Z")
> [@cstamets](#): > > I don’t think anyone/thing is reading Amy’s mind. > > Someone clearly (from the marks on the lawn) visited Amy’s house and saw everything in her room. I think everything was built off what they saw, not her memories. That’s why Rory is there as a Roman soldier. The picture of him dressed that way was with the book, making it look like, to an alien outsider stumbling across everything, he was supposed to be dressed that way. If they were pulling a memory of Rory out of Amy’s mind, which is more likely - Roman Soldier Rory or Male Nurse Rory (each sold separately)? THAT works. Thanks. Next big question…who leaves those particular footprints? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![cstamets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/958977/32.png) [@cstamets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cstamets)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/802 "2010-06-24T01:39:13Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > THAT works. Thanks. > > Next big question…who leaves those particular footprints? > > -Joe Ok. Watched it again. The Doctor mentions “psychic residue” in the house. So the Romans and all are created out of whatever information they were able to gather from this psychic residue. I like that better than someone was directly reading Amy’s mind. Also, River tells the Doctor she learned how to pilot the Tardis from him. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/803 "2010-06-24T03:24:49Z")
> [@cstamets](#): > > I don’t think anyone/thing is reading Amy’s mind. > > Someone clearly (from the marks on the lawn) visited Amy’s house and saw everything in her room. I think everything was built off what they saw, not her memories. That’s why Rory is there as a Roman soldier. The picture of him dressed that way was with the book, making it look like, to an alien outsider stumbling across everything, he was supposed to be dressed that way. If they were pulling a memory of Rory out of Amy’s mind, which is more likely - Roman Soldier Rory or Male Nurse Rory (each sold separately)? Well, Rory remembered dying with Amy and the Doctor, plus he recognized the ring he hadn’t yet shown to Amy. He can’t be Amy’s physic residue, or even his own from having spent time in Amy’s room. Whatever is in the crack had to be able to scan Rory’s memories and put them in plastic Rory. As far as pulling the Roman story out of Amy’s psychic poo, that makes sense because they had to create a setting the Doctor would fall for, and a normal setting with normal nurse Rory wouldn’t have fooled the Doctor. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/804 "2010-06-24T10:44:08Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > THAT works. Thanks. > > Next big question…who leaves those particular footprints? > > -Joe The tracks seem vaguely reminiscent of a Dalek shuttle’s footprint. [See here.](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TcWHiqyb4Ag/S59R68mm6aI/AAAAAAAAEXk/9Ut-7RsaY34/s400/Rememberance+playground.jpg) Although there seemed to be more detail to the markings in the episode, but that could be due to higher special effects quality. The spacing seems to be about right anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/805 "2010-06-24T13:33:31Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Well, Rory remembered dying with Amy and the Doctor, plus he recognized the ring he hadn’t yet shown to Amy. He can’t be Amy’s physic residue, or even his own from having spent time in Amy’s room. Whatever is in the crack had to be able to scan Rory’s memories and put them in plastic Rory. Nah, I don’t see why they would bother. Really, what’s the point of having a fake Rory as part of the whole thing? From the perspective of a trap, having Rory there doesn’t add anything. Physical Rory is there because of the picture in Amy’s room. Rory being something other than a Rory-shaped Auton is something special. Obviously some kind of unintended consequence of all of this. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/806 "2010-06-24T17:14:31Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Amy’s psychic poo Oddly enough, this is rumored to be the title of the 2010 Christmas special. Coincidence? ---
**Author:** ![Electric\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Electric\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electric_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/807 "2010-06-24T19:11:02Z")
Does anyone else think there’s a possibility that the real “Prisoner Zero” is actually the Doctor, having escaped from the Pandorica? The Atraxi would also not be able to recognize him by his appearance because he can regenerate. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/808 "2010-06-24T19:24:52Z")
> [@Electric\_Warrior](#): > > Does anyone else think there’s a possibility that the real “Prisoner Zero” is actually the Doctor, having escaped from the Pandorica? The Atraxi would also not be able to recognize him by his appearance because he can regenerate. Which would show that basically everything was planned out, as they weren’t able to identify that episode’s villain because he could change his appearance. The Doctor scared them off from Earth - it’s possible they DID know who he was (Prisoner Zero), but they STILL ran off. I can’t remember, how did that episode end? What happened to Prisoner Zero? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/809 "2010-06-24T21:07:31Z")
Oh - when I say it no-one notices. > [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > So does this mean that the Doctor is prisoner zero? But when **Electric Warrior** says it… 😉 > [@Electric\_Warrior](#): > > Does anyone else think there’s a possibility that the real “Prisoner Zero” is actually the Doctor, having escaped from the Pandorica? The Atraxi would also not be able to recognize him by his appearance because he can regenerate. > [@Merijeek](#): > > Which would show that basically everything was planned out, as they weren’t able to identify that episode’s villain because he could change his appearance. > > The Doctor scared them off from Earth - it’s possible they DID know who he was (Prisoner Zero), but they STILL ran off. > > I can’t remember, how did that episode end? What happened to Prisoner Zero? > > -Joe The episode ended with prisoner zero being kind of “beamed” up by the Atraxi and sort of fading into nothing. Its real form of a flying fish thing was revealed. I don’t know what to think on that actually. The idea of the crack and prisoner zero being linked makes a lot more sense if that person is the Doctor, but then the storyline of _Eleventh Hour_ makes far less sense if it’s the Doctor. If the thing they try and track down and eventually turn over to the Atraxi isn’t prisoner zero, then why do they leave when they catch it? They didn’t show the least bit of interest in the Doctor until he called them and told them to come back. ---
**Author:** ![Electric\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Electric\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electric_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2010, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/810 "2010-06-24T22:48:35Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > Oh - when I say it no-one notices. But when **Electric Warrior** says it… 😉 Aah, sorry! I just skimmed quickly over the thread to see if anyone’d mentioned it and somehow I totally missed that. Fail on my part. > [@](#): > > The episode ended with prisoner zero being kind of “beamed” up by the Atraxi and sort of fading into nothing. Its real form of a flying fish thing was revealed. > > I don’t know what to think on that actually. The idea of the crack and prisoner zero being linked makes a lot more sense if that person is the Doctor, but then the storyline of _Eleventh Hour_ makes far less sense if it’s the Doctor. If the thing they try and track down and eventually turn over to the Atraxi isn’t prisoner zero, then why do they leave when they catch it? They didn’t show the least bit of interest in the Doctor until he called them and told them to come back. Yeah that is a good point. I guess I wonder how much the Atraxi really know exactly what they’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/811 "2010-06-25T00:10:25Z")
> [@Electric\_Warrior](#): > > Yeah that is a good point. I guess I wonder how much the Atraxi really know exactly what they’re looking for. Well, I’m thinking that’s going to be the big reveal…but if that’s the case, what was the ‘fake’ Prisoner Zero? Bad guy in the wrong place at the wrong time? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Electric\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Electric\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electric_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/812 "2010-06-25T00:25:42Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Well, I’m thinking that’s going to be the big reveal…but if that’s the case, what was the ‘fake’ Prisoner Zero? Bad guy in the wrong place at the wrong time? > > -Joe I just went back over an episode summary of “The Eleventh Hour” and was reminded that the shapeshifter was the one that originally said “the Pandorica will open, silence will fall”. Which is the voice in the TARDIS. I think, significant. Definitely not just wrong place/wrong time. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/813 "2010-06-25T08:07:26Z")
…on the eve of the finale, I’ll quote my theory that I cross-posted over here: > **[‘Doctor Who’ blogging: “The Pandorica Opens” - FlickFilosopher.com](https://www.flickfilosopher.com/2010/06/doctor-who-blogging-the-pandorica-opens.html)** > > Made of spoilers. Don't read until you've seen the episode. > [@](#): > > But I had a discussion with my brother today and we were bouncing around ideas, and all of a sudden a whole lot of things clicked. I think I know where the story is going. These are my guesses: not spoilers. > > I thought of Multivac, the computer in Issac Asimov’s short story “The Last Question.” I was thinking, what would a timelord do while locked up in a timey whiney prison? He would think. He would dream. He would remember. > > My theory (which I am fully prepared to be proven wrong this weekend!) is that this season has been the Doctor “remembering”, not “dreaming”, his time with Amy, struggling to remember something that he is missing, while he is stuck in the Pandorica. > > I think that this would explain some of the things that don’t quite seem right, like the 12 minutes to set up security cameras in the Hungry Earth-if the Doctor found something boring or unimportant his brain would “fast forward.” > > I think that the Doctor is behind everything. In his time in the Pandorica he works out what is causing the cracks, and how to fix it. And he works out that he has to construct the Pandorica so that he can survive the destruction of the universe. > > So the Doctor manages to get out of the Pandorica, spends a few years constructing a Tardis in the upstairs of Amy’s house, then goes around jumping in and out of his time stream planting suggestions and leaving clues to Amy and co. He somehow convinces the Daleks into creating a coalition to create the Pandorica to trap his earlier self. > > I’m convinced that the Doctor is Prisoner Zero, but I can’t find enough supporting evidence from the Eleventh Hour yet. My brother suggested to me that the multi-form was bait for the Doctor: and I suddenly realized that he was “literally” bait, he looked like a worm, and his first appearance was shaped like a fishing lure. My brothers theory: the Atraxi, part of the alliance looking for the Doctor, were looking for the Tenth Doctor, not knowing that he had regenerated. The multi-forms job was to flush out the Doctor and his new identity, and once he was found, the Trap started to be set. > > I don’t know how much of my guesses will be wrong, probably most of it, but I am certain of one thing: the solution will be Timey Whimey and not Dues Ex Machina, the answer has been staring us in the face since the beginning but we all can’t see it, and that the final will not let us down ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/814 "2010-06-25T08:25:08Z")
Well, my expectations aren’t quite as high as some. I don’t expect every paradox to be resolved and I don’t need every question answered. I do want the resolution to be more satisfying then “Mmmm, that button there,” and I’m confident it will be. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/815 "2010-06-25T08:29:17Z")
So essentially, they’re inverting the theme behind Ecclestone’s year? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/816 "2010-06-25T09:15:54Z")
So essentially, they’re inverting the theme behind Ecclestone’s year? ---
**Author:** ![yastobaal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/258eb7/32.png) [@yastobaal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yastobaal)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/817 "2010-06-25T11:52:30Z")
Completely off the subject of tomorrow evening’s episode. Has anybody seen the hitchhikers guide to the [daleks?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWn_1yOFpfU) ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/818 "2010-06-25T20:01:30Z")
Steven Moffat reveals content of final episode![spoiler]“Well, there’s going to be some light music and a short note of apology saying, ‘The universe ended last week, we’re really sorry, we don’t know what you’re doing here, didn’t you get the message?’” > **[Moffat 'always planned Who finale'](https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/cult/a232658/moffat-always-planned-who-finale/)** > > Steven Moffat reveals that he always knew what he wanted to happen in the Doctor Who finale. ---
**Author:** ![Electric\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Electric\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electric_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/819 "2010-06-25T20:21:19Z")
Ahaha, I debated whether to open that spoiler box and when I did I smiled. Ooh that interview is very good to hear though. Some of my favorite speculation I’ve been hearing lately involves clues that are strung through at least a few other episodes, which I think would be awesome. I’d hate to have a cop-out “It’s all a dream” type ending… ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2010, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851/820 "2010-06-26T01:07:35Z")
> [@](#): > > =Electric Warrior;12619527 I’d hate to have a cop-out “It’s all a dream” type ending… I’ve no knowledge of the last episode, apart from some leaked images which have no function other than to make the anticipation worse, but I think the resolution of the plot has been played out in front of our eyes already. Just as an aside really, but I can hardly wait until _checks watch_ later today. This combo of Matt Smith and Karen Gillan (and Arthur Darvill and Caitlin Blackwood!) is really pretty fucking great. Smith especially - my OP in this thread loved him as the Doctor from the start - the best revival Doctor, the most convincingly alien one of them. As it turns out, Matt Smith is just playing himself. I recognise that I’m not able to objectively judge Karen Gillan, but the scene where she is sitting in Vincent’s garden, surrounded by sunflowers is _such_ a vision of loveliness that I can barely speak. Heart-stopping. So I think the best post-revival Who stories have been _Father’s Day_, _The Empty Child_, _The Girl in the Fireplace_, _Human Nature_, _Blink_, _Midnight_, _Turn Left_, _The Eleventh Hour_, _Amy’s Choice_ and _Vincent and the Doctor_. With an honourable runner up medal to _School Reunion_ and _Love and Monsters_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851.md?page=40) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-five-uk-pace-thread-edited-title/534851.md?page=42)