# Doctor Who - Series Six - Part II **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 24, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860 "2011-08-24T03:38:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/321 "2011-09-17T18:29:09Z")
OK, this isn’t even half-way through, but this is mental. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/322 "2011-09-17T18:35:36Z")
Praise him ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/323 "2011-09-17T19:00:50Z")
Amy’s Theme. _sobs_ ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/324 "2011-09-17T19:31:28Z")
So… what did the Doctor see when the Cloister Bell rung? (Og bless subtitles, I probably wouldn’t have realised it was chiming! Also love the “Vworp!” subtitle for the Tardis) 😉 My review - huh. Not sure about all that. But next week looks great 🙂 And again - continuity. No mention of older-Amy, no scene showed to us of Rory and the Doctor answering our-Amy’s question from last week about what happened to older-Amy, another episode that felt a little out of sequence. But at least Melody/River got a mention I suppose! Loved the Tardis blue house 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/325 "2011-09-18T02:05:10Z")
The decor is the most horrifying thing I’ve seen since my dentist retired. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/326 "2011-09-18T02:11:00Z")
I kept waiting for them to enter room 217. So, is that it? I mean, For Rory and Amy? ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/327 "2011-09-18T04:13:45Z")
> [@hermette](#): > > Also love the “Vworp!” subtitle for the Tardis) Still leaving the brakes on, I see. Yes, well, it’s a brilliant noise. I love that noise… ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/328 "2011-09-18T04:47:00Z")
Totally dug this episode. Went in with low expectations, expecting a run-of-the-mill monster story, but it was so much more. > [@hermette](#): > > And again - continuity. No mention of older-Amy, no scene showed to us of Rory and the Doctor answering our-Amy’s question from last week about what happened to older-Amy, another episode that felt a little out of sequence. But at least Melody/River got a mention I suppose! > > Loved the Tardis blue house 🙂 We were never going to see Rory’s answer to Amy’s question from the last episode. The greatest of that scene was having it fade out before the answer came. But I thought this was a great follow-up to “The Girl Who Waited.” That one brought the companions to their breaking point, and this one followed up on that. > [@JohnT](#): > > So, is that it? I mean, > > For Rory and Amy? Seems like it, although I’m sure we’ll see them again in the finale. Karen said she would be back next season, but she never said in what capacity (full time companion or guest star). ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/329 "2011-09-18T07:54:28Z")
I’m bothered by this continuing trend to compare the Doctor with evil. That speech he made at the end was laying it on very thick. Making any comparison of the Minotaur and the Doctor seems so bizarre. The Minotaur has been capturing and killing life forms for a long, long time. The Doctor enjoys having a companion, but his goal is not to suck the life out of them. I did like the majority of the episode. There were some very good characters. Especially the Muslim Doctor. She would have made a very good companion and reminded me of Martha. I liked seeing the way the Doctor figured out how the Minotaur was taking over the victims minds. Everything was excellent right up until that very unfortunate speech at the end. The Doctor has a dark side but nothing remotely like the Minotaur. I think this is a first? Traveling in the Tardis is finally too dangerous for a Companion? There’s always been a bit of danger in the Doctors adventures. But, episodes this season seem to make it almost a death wish to travel with the Doctor. So much so that he gave them a house and left them there. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/330 "2011-09-18T08:25:55Z")
This is clearly setting things up for when the Doctor goes to his death. I just wonder if they’ll finish up this story arc this season, or if it will expand into the next. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/331 "2011-09-18T09:18:09Z")
I’d have to call this one one of my favorite episodes of the revived series - it’s easily up there with _Blink_ or _Dalek_ or _Turn Left_. The setting is smack dab in the middle of the uncanny valley, the cast of characters is distinctive and there’s lots of great interplay between them. Even the villian, which was one of the sillier things to come out of the original series (see “The Horns of Nimon”), is made into a terrifying yet sympathetic character. I think the events of this episode really _broke_ the Doctor psychologically - the fact that his mistake lead to Rita’s death after he became so quickly attached to her, and the fact that in order to save Amy he had to convince her to give up her faith in him. Presumably his leaving Amy and Rory behind at the end of this episode leads to his wandering the universe alone for 200 years until he shows up again to be killed by Melody. The real cliffhanger here is the two big questions raised by what the Doctor saw in his room - what does the Doctor fear the most, and what does the Doctor have faith in, and why does the Doctor find it all so obvious when he sees it? Side note for viewers-are-geniuses value; the room that the characters trapped the Nimon in had a placard above the door that reads “The Pasiphae Spa” - Pasiphae having been the mother of the minotaur in Greek mythology. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/332 "2011-09-18T12:53:29Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > … That speech he made at the end was laying it on very thick. Making any comparison of the Minotaur and the Doctor seems so bizarre. … IIUIC the Doctor thought he was translating the Minotaur’s last words when in fact the Minotaur was revealing what it had learned about/seen in a “kindred spirit” . . . the Doctor. The big question about the Doctor embracing death is what exactly that “death” entails. A crazy WAG, a final regeneration that impregnates River with the Doctor’s regeneration energy? We’ve assumed that the name secret must relate to either regeneration/death or marriage but why not Time Lord biological reproduction? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/333 "2011-09-18T14:02:36Z")
Silly question here, and I haven’t read all the thread, but do we know if Young Waiting Amelia was Amy’s room or The Doctor’s room? I know The Doctor has had bigger issues over the years, but right then at that moment it seems Amy’s fate would hang on him the hardest. Oh, and funny thought, but I don’t know if this one has come up before. In “The Lodger”, didn’t the Silence escape pod (presumably) use a little girl’s voice to lure people in? Like maybe a young River Song’s? Has this been pointed out? I mean, it seems kind of obvious but I don’t know I’ve actually seen it mentioned. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/334 "2011-09-18T14:17:24Z")
Now that I’m caught up, I’ll have to take another look at the episode. However, let’s consider… Amy’s “Praise Him”, IIRC, came after the Weeping Angels, but before Young Waiting Amelia. So, assuming the sequence is “see your fear in the room, then you become open to possession”, that would make the Weeping Angels the residents of Amy’s room. And that makes Young Waiting Ameila into The Doctor’s room. As far as the complaints about The Doctor’s speech at the end, he was translating for the Minotaur. The fact that some of what he was translating also applied to The Doctor was kind of the point of the speech - and the episode, for that matter. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/335 "2011-09-18T14:18:43Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > IIUIC… ?? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/336 "2011-09-18T14:20:56Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > ?? If I Understand It Correctly, IYKWIM. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/337 "2011-09-18T14:39:46Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Silly question here, and I haven’t read all the thread, but do we know if Young Waiting Amelia was Amy’s room or The Doctor’s room? It was Amy’s room - we never see what’s in the Doctor’s room (room 11, of course). ETA: Or maybe I need to rewatch it? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/338 "2011-09-18T14:49:07Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It was Amy’s room - we never see what’s in the Doctor’s room (room 11, of course). > > ETA: Or maybe I need to rewatch it? Heh, someone is going to need to. The Angels wouldn’t be Rory’s, because he wasn’t there. I doubt the Cowardly Lion has seen them, nor Rita. …and WTF WAS THE DEAL WITH THE GOLD FISH!!! …and does that make weenie conspiracy boy’s fear the creepy clown? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/339 "2011-09-18T14:51:09Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Now that I’m caught up, I’ll have to take another look at the episode. However, let’s consider… > > Amy’s “Praise Him”, IIRC, came after the Weeping Angels, but before Young Waiting Amelia. So, assuming the sequence is “see your fear in the room, then you become open to possession”, that would make the Weeping Angels the residents of Amy’s room. > > And that makes Young Waiting Ameila into The Doctor’s room. > > As far as the complaints about The Doctor’s speech at the end, he was translating for the Minotaur. The fact that some of what he was translating also applied to The Doctor was kind of the point of the speech - and the episode, for that matter. > > -Joe Very astute observation and comment! I’m still lost at how the process of pre-existing strong faith -\> see your fear -\> converting strong faith into digestible Minotaur praise works and how one meal getting away (by loss of faith) kills it. And what does The Doctor have faith in? _I_ better rewatch the ep. ---
**Author:** ![sohvan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@sohvan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sohvan)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/340 "2011-09-18T14:53:06Z")
I think the Doctor saw himself inside his room. Him being afraid of what he might become. It would fit with the overall theme of the season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860.md?page=18)