# Doctor Who - Series Six - Part II **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 24, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860 "2011-08-24T03:38:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/341 "2011-09-18T14:57:32Z")
Okay, so I took a quick hop-and-skip through the episode. When we find the Weeping Angels, Amy and Conspiracy Weenie are the first ones through the door. Rory and The Doctor come in a good 10 or 15 seconds later. So…I guess the big question is if people see the same thing every time or if it varies. Amy could have been Weeping Angels in one room and Young Waiting Amelia in the other. The last one being the one that kills you “and once you see it you always knew it couldn’t be anything else” -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/342 "2011-09-18T14:59:43Z")
> [@sohvan](#): > > I think the Doctor saw himself inside his room. Him being afraid of what he might become. It would fit with the overall theme of the season. That was my initial thought, too when I saw the episode. It fits with the season’s theme, but for the episode theme failing Amy by leading another companion to his/her death yet again. And, to reiterate, WTF WAS THE DEAL WITH THE GOLD FISH! I think it got more screen time than the gambler! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/343 "2011-09-18T15:02:28Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It was Amy’s room - we never see what’s in the Doctor’s room (room 11, of course). I’m sort of new to Doctor Who, so why “of course?” BTW, The Onion AV Club has an interesting show write-up [here](http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-god-complex,61730/). ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/344 "2011-09-18T15:03:47Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’m sort of new to Doctor Who, so why “of course?” > > BTW, The Onion AV Club has an interesting show write-up [here](http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-god-complex,61730/). he’s the 11th Doctor ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/345 "2011-09-18T15:08:07Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I’m sort of new to Doctor Who, so why “of course?” Good thing **OAOW** posted or I was going to say something embarassing involving his being alone and the duality of his nature… > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > BTW, The Onion AV Club has an interesting show write-up [here](http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-god-complex,61730/). Sigh. “Arthur” is the actor, “Rory” is the character… -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/346 "2011-09-18T15:11:25Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Oh, and funny thought, but I don’t know if this one has come up before. In “The Lodger”, didn’t the Silence escape pod (presumably) use a little girl’s voice to lure people in? Like maybe a young River Song’s? Has this been pointed out? I mean, it seems kind of obvious but I don’t know I’ve actually seen it mentioned. > > -Joe the lodger voice was simply using whatever would appeal to people. Sometimes it was a girl, sometimes it was an old man. I don’t think there’s any tie in to River/Melody. > [@Broomstick](#): > > It was Amy’s room - we never see what’s in the Doctor’s room (room 11, of course). > > ETA: Or maybe I need to rewatch it? The Doctor hung a do not disturb sign on his door, and we saw it fall down when the maze was deactivated, so it can’t be his room that little Amelia was in. Personally I think that was bang on seeing her younger self for Amy, wondering if in fact she’d spend her entire life waiting for him and whether that wait had fucked her up forever. I thought this episode rocked. I thought it was going to be terrible from last week’s preview but as soon as it got going it was really good, and the resolution of it just… well, it made sense, bizarrely enough. Good to see that we meet Craig again, although I guess that means he didn’t stay in Africa with the monkey woman after all. ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/347 "2011-09-18T15:13:51Z")
I think the Doctor’s greatest fear would be his own dark side. Valeyard maybe? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/348 "2011-09-18T15:15:43Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > … what does The Doctor have faith in? … The Companions!? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/349 "2011-09-18T15:30:38Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Good thing **OAOW** posted or I was going to say something embarassing involving his being alone and the duality of his nature… > > Sigh. “Arthur” is the actor, “Rory” is the character… > > -Joe I get the impression that the AV Club write-ups are written as the show airs or right after, and these errors sometimes creep in. BTW, thanks for the explanation as to why it was of course room 11. ---
**Author:** ![Cinnamon\_Imp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/58956e/32.png) [@Cinnamon\_Imp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cinnamon_Imp)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/350 "2011-09-18T15:51:00Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Heh, someone is going to need to. The Angels wouldn’t be Rory’s, because he wasn’t there. I doubt the Cowardly Lion has seen them, nor Rita. I thought it was made clear the Weeping Angels were for the ‘Cowardly Lion’ - didn’t we see Amy comforting him for being scared of them? > [@Merijeek](#): > > …and WTF WAS THE DEAL WITH THE GOLD FISH!!! > > …and does that make weenie conspiracy boy’s fear the creepy clown? > > -Joe No, the clown was left over from a previous visitor, we were told at the end that the prison had failed to delete some fears. Conspiracy Boy (Howie?) was scared of his stammer/ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/351 "2011-09-18T16:39:48Z")
Rory’s room would have been too easy. Walking in on Amy having sex with The Doctor; the thing he believes in, worships, being Amy of course. I still like Joe’s take, but I see how it was left as indeterminate if the Angels were for Amy or Cowardly Lion. But yes, the beaten into us theme through the end of Tennant and into Smith has been: Is The Doctor A God? Certainly at least him wrestling with thinking of himself as one, of others interacting with him as one, and with the consequences of that, the failures, the tragedies, that result. No small thing that it was the Minotaur and the labyrinth being referenced as it also calls up an allusion to Daedalus and of course to his son Icarus. Also to the hero who actually killed the Minotaur, Theseus -[whose ship](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus) is famous as a philosophic metaphor about identity - along the way all of it wood rots and is replaced … > [@](#): > > Plutarch thus questions whether the ship would remain the same if it were entirely replaced, piece by piece. Centuries later, the philosopher Thomas Hobbes introduced a further puzzle, wondering: what would happen if the original planks were gathered up after they were replaced, and used to build a second ship.[3] Which ship, if either, is the original Ship of Theseus? Analogies to our Doctor, his incarnations, and Doctor Goo, to Amy and older Amy, so on, all abound. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/352 "2011-09-18T18:02:02Z")
As I am rewatching I also note something else - the shout-out to “Night Terrors” at the start, when we first learn that bad dreams are in the rooms and he tosses up the Rubic’s cube. Perhaps Moffat gave his stand alone ep writers that theme as one to riff off of. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/353 "2011-09-18T18:28:36Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > As I am rewatching I also note something else - the shout-out to “Night Terrors” at the start, when we first learn that bad dreams are in the rooms and he tosses up the Rubic’s cube. Perhaps Moffat gave his stand alone ep writers that theme as one to riff off of. He also finishes the cube by the end of the episode. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/354 "2011-09-18T18:59:20Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > He also finishes the cube by the end of the episode. Wonder if that’s significant, seeing as how when he looked at it in Night Terrors he played with it for a second and then gave up with a disgusted look. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/355 "2011-09-18T19:40:51Z")
Despite the makeup and prosthetics, David Walliams didn’t look any creepier than normal. Maybe less. ---
**Author:** ![velveeta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/13edae/32.png) [@velveeta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velveeta)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/356 "2011-09-18T19:56:47Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Despite the makeup and prosthetics, David Walliams didn’t look any creepier than normal. Maybe less. He was supposed to look like a sheep, right? I thought it was quite funny, but my husband didn’t see the resemblance. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/357 "2011-09-18T20:15:39Z")
Just to clarify, since there seems to be some confusion; - Howie’s room was the room full of girls making fun of him for stuttering. - Gibbis’ room was the Weeping Angels, but doesn’t get possessed because his faith in whoever enslaves him next is too transitory. - Rita’s room was her father berating her for not getting good enough grades. - Amy’s room is the room with the young Amy waiting forever - her fear of abandonment. - Rory doesn’t get a room - the Nimon isn’t interested in him because he doesn’t have a strong enough faith in anything particular. - We don’t see what was in the Doctor’s room, #11, just hear his reaction of “Of course”. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/358 "2011-09-18T20:40:53Z")
I’ll bet we’ll never know what was in the Doctor’s room. Also, for a while I wondered if this was going to be another dream and we would be seeing the return of the Dream Lord because elements of the hotel, such as the hallways stretching out seemed very dream like. That, and the rooms that held your fears. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/359 "2011-09-18T20:52:38Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > - We don’t see what was in the Doctor’s room, #11, just hear his reaction of “Of course”. Don’t know if this illuminates things any further but since we are looking for “clews,” he follows that up with, “_Who else?_” a personal pronoun meaning it’s some-_one_ and not some-_thing_ or event. If it was the death of someone or the destruction of the Tardis, wouldn’t he say, “what else?” No, this is someone that represents the Doctor’s greatest fear. Or perhaps I am reading too much into things. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/360 "2011-09-18T21:22:33Z")
When the Doctor looks into his room we also hear the cloister bell… so maybe his faith is in the TARDIS? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860.md?page=19)