# Doctor Who - Series Six - Part II **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 24, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860 "2011-08-24T03:38:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/461 "2011-09-26T17:56:31Z")
After the existential and emotional heaviness of “The Girl Who Waited” and “The God Complex”, this episode was a nice break. While I agree with those who’ve pointed out that “Closing Time” is rather rushed and a little bit sloppy in the way it wraps up the Cyberman menace, I appreciated the tone of light comedy. And I don’t often say this about other men, but Craig is adorable. Great occasional character. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/462 "2011-09-26T18:41:07Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Where did “Jim the fish” get mentioned? Only fish I can think of is the one in The God Complex… > > -Joe Throwaway comment when they were comparing diaries in _The Impossible Astronaut_. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/463 "2011-09-26T18:44:24Z")
> [@standingwave](#): > > You can see it [here](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L4dJ8n64HE). It’s annoying not because it’s expository. I can live with that, not entirely unlike Quantum Leap or Babylon 5 or countless other shows. My problem is that gives the impression that it’s the Amy Pond Show when in the Whoverse, companions come and go. Thanks for that. Yes, it does seem a bit silly. Does it come between the pre-credit sequence and the credits? (It appears to as the theme seems to start after it). If so then that’s doubly annoying as the the scream mixing into the opening sounds from the theme is an essential part of the Dr Who experience. ---
**Author:** ![Galwegian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galwegian/32/3426_2.png) [@Galwegian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galwegian)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/464 "2011-09-26T22:01:03Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > …the scream mixing into the opening sounds from the theme is an essential part of the Dr Who experience. You know, I never really took much notice of that, but you’re absolutely right. They cut that for a stupid voiceover? Humph! ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/465 "2011-09-26T23:16:07Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Thanks for that. Yes, it does seem a bit silly. Does it come between the pre-credit sequence and the credits? (It appears to as the theme seems to start after it). If so then that’s doubly annoying as the the scream mixing into the opening sounds from the theme is an essential part of the Dr Who experience. Yep…we get a little opening sequence, then the “when I was a little girl” bit, then the credits. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/466 "2011-09-27T00:36:43Z")
I hate it too, but not because I feel it puts the focus on Amy, but because it feels condescending. Also, those of us who watch regularly know what’s going on, and those who don’t…does this stupid explanation really explain much to them? ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/467 "2011-09-27T00:56:57Z")
I was fine with it during the premiere of this season, because it was part of the whole big push to make Who big in America. Now it’s just unnecessary and confusing. Anyone coming it at this point is just gonna go, “Wait, so is he real or imaginary?” ---
**Author:** ![Alan\_Smithee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/2acd7d/32.png) [@Alan\_Smithee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alan_Smithee)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/468 "2011-09-27T02:30:22Z")
Yeah, it makes it all seem like it’s an old-school _Wizard of Oz_ “and-you-were-there-and-you-and-you!” fantasy instead of (very soft) science-fiction. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/469 "2011-09-27T05:23:31Z")
…did you miss any of the poems during this season? They had more variations than I thought: I only really listened to the version in Night Terrors. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/-0UKbSRuZJg/maxresdefault.jpg "Tick Tock Goes The Clock- River/The Doctor") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0UKbSRuZJg) The verse that I think will be key to exactly what is going on… Doctor Brave and Good He turned away from violence When he understood The falling of the silence ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/470 "2011-09-27T08:26:08Z")
Just read a spoiler free review of the season finale. Sounds like they are going to be answering lots of our questions… > **[Doctor Who's Season Finale: It all comes together!](https://gizmodo.com/doctor-whos-season-finale-it-all-comes-together-5843704)** > > People often described Russell T. Davies' tenure as Doctor Who producer as reminiscent of a soap opera — but the show has become much more serialized, and more focused on a few core relationships, under Stephen Moffat. And Saturday's big season... ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/471 "2011-09-27T10:01:40Z")
I have a horrible memory, which is why I didn’t post this a few days ago, but I’m surprised no-one else noticed this. When the Doctor looks in Craig’s house, mentions he redecorated and then says he doesn’t like it, it’s EXACTLY what the third Doctor says in “The Five Doctors” when he goes to visit Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart. Smith even gives the same facial expression as Troughton. Being a geek I thought it was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/472 "2011-09-27T15:37:35Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I have a horrible memory, which is why I didn’t post this a few days ago, but I’m surprised no-one else noticed this. > > When the Doctor looks in Craig’s house, mentions he redecorated and then says he doesn’t like it, it’s EXACTLY what the third Doctor says in “The Five Doctors” when he goes to visit Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart. Smith even gives the same facial expression as Troughton. > > Being a geek I thought it was awesome. Holy smokes! You’re right. I wondered why that little exchange seemed familiar. ---
**Author:** ![vd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b19c9b/32.png) [@vd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vd)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/473 "2011-09-27T20:19:40Z")
Was there any mention about the old Doctor’s TARDIS after his death in _Impossible Astronaut_? We never saw it. I don’t remember if River said something like that it would take itself away or whatever. Has it presumably\* been sitting in Utah since Easter, 2011? \*if it was ever there to begin with ---
**Author:** ![Monkey\_Chews](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/65b543/32.png) [@Monkey\_Chews](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monkey_Chews)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/474 "2011-09-28T02:14:53Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > When the Doctor looks in Craig’s house, mentions he redecorated and then says he doesn’t like it, it’s EXACTLY what the third Doctor says in “The Five Doctors” when he goes to visit Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart. Smith even gives the same facial expression as Troughton. Second Doctor, but yeah. I loved it. (What, you didn’t expect a Doctor Who fan to nitpick?) ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/475 "2011-09-28T02:37:37Z")
> [@Monkey\_Chews](#): > > Second Doctor, but yeah. I loved it. > > (What, you didn’t expect a Doctor Who fan to nitpick?) :smack: I knew that. ---
**Author:** ![Candyman74](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Candyman74](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Candyman74)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/476 "2011-09-28T02:52:07Z")
> [@vd](#): > > Was there any mention about the old Doctor’s TARDIS after his death in _Impossible Astronaut_? No, there has been no mention about the old Doctor’s TARDIS yet. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/477 "2011-09-28T02:55:59Z")
I’m wondering if one of the Doctors used the Tardis from The Lodger to get to the lake? That’s the only extra Tardis we’ve seen so far. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/478 "2011-09-28T02:56:40Z")
We never saw his TARDIS in Impossible Astronaut, right? Wasn’t he sitting on a car when Amy and Rory met him? So we have no idea where his TARDIS is, or if he got to Utah in a different way. I imagine we’ll find out Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/479 "2011-09-28T02:57:15Z")
> [@vd](#): > > Was there any mention about the old Doctor’s TARDIS after his death in _Impossible Astronaut_? We never saw it. I don’t remember if River said something like that it would take itself away or whatever. > > Has it presumably\* been sitting in Utah since Easter, 2011? I’m not sure where or when this was established, but ISTR that a TARDIS “dies” when its Time Lord does, and becomes inert - if the late Doctor’s is still sitting in the desert and anyone found it, it would be simply an old police box that somehow wound up in the desert 6,000 miles from where it should be. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860/480 "2011-09-28T13:08:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m not sure where or when this was established, but ISTR that a TARDIS “dies” when its Time Lord does, and becomes inert - if the late Doctor’s is still sitting in the desert and anyone found it, it would be simply an old police box that somehow wound up in the desert 6,000 miles from where it should be. Considering that the Doctor stole it from a museum (where it was displayed as an older type of TARDIS) that would suggest.. no. Also, the time police punishment squad seemed to think the vehicle was River Song’s, after she murders the Doctor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-series-six-part-ii/593860.md?page=25)