# Doctor Who SPOILERS from the UK to the US **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2006, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065 "2006-06-17T15:28:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/1 "2006-06-17T15:28:08Z")
The USA, or most of us here anyways, is one year behind the UK in viewing the new adventures of the reborn sci-fi/fant series **Doctor Who** Much discussion occurs in threads about the eps concerning things the UK has already seen vs what the USA fans have yet to see. Some USAers want to know everything now, damn the spoilers, some want to view each ep they finally get to see without any spoilage. So, the purpose of this thread is for USA Whovians to ask UK Whovians questions about anything at all coming up in the series. Also, any previous episode may be discussed in detail. All the way back to Grandfather and Susan. **Fair Warning: This entire thread is going to be full of spoilers, spoiler boxes are not needed. Read thread at your own risk.** ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/2 "2006-06-17T15:33:56Z")
I’ll start. Any major character changes in Season Two with Doctor # 11? What’s happened to K-9? Any truth to the rumor that he came back? Any more Daleks? Do we ever see another Time Lord? (Since we sure as hell saw Daleks!) Does Doctor 11 stay for Season Three? Is there going to be a third season? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/3 "2006-06-17T15:37:17Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Any major character changes in Season Two with Doctor # 11? He’s pretty much a completely different person. The only character trait I can think of that carries on is the occasional manic insanity. > [@](#): > > What’s happened to K-9? Any truth to the rumor that he came back? What’s happened to K-9 is time 😉 . Yes, he’s back. > [@](#): > > Any more Daleks? Not so far. > [@](#): > > Do we ever see another Time Lord? (Since we sure as hell saw Daleks!) Not so far. > [@](#): > > Does Doctor 11 stay for Season Three? Is there going to be a third season? Same Doctor, but Bilie Piper’s leaving. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/4 "2006-06-17T15:44:21Z")
> [@Revenant Threshold](#): > > Same Doctor, but Bilie Piper’s leaving. Does that leave the Doctor companianless, or is someone else starting? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/5 "2006-06-17T15:49:00Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Does that leave the Doctor companianless, or is someone else starting? [The Sun](http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2006270818,00.html) says it’s Freema Agyeman, who i’ve never heard of. Bear in mind, the Sun isn’t exactly the most authoritative of sources. ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/6 "2006-06-17T23:03:18Z")
I have a question that’s related to a spoiler I just reading in [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=375148&page=2). Is Rose the first female Companion to be killed in a Doctor Who series? I remember Adric died but for heaven’s sake I thought the pretty girls were never harmed. That’s depressing and I wish I hadn’t heard. Please quote me or my name so I can avoid reading other spoilers when I look for replies. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/7 "2006-06-17T23:14:12Z")
> [@riker1384](#): > > I have a question that’s related to a spoiler I just reading in [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=375148&page=2). Is Rose the first female Companion to be killed in a Doctor Who series? I remember Adric died but for heaven’s sake I thought the pretty girls were never harmed. That’s depressing and I wish I hadn’t heard. > > Please quote me or my name so I can avoid reading other spoilers when I look for replies. Hmm, Romana regenerated, so I suppose she technically “died”, but it was off-camera. I think she’s the only one (the death of Adric was a big event). There have, of course, been lots of pretty girls to die during the series, but never, I think, a companion. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/8 "2006-06-17T23:20:47Z")
> [@riker1384](#): > > I have a question that’s related to a spoiler I just reading in [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=375148&page=2). Is Rose the first female Companion to be killed in a Doctor Who series? I remember Adric died but for heaven’s sake I thought the pretty girls were never harmed. That’s depressing and I wish I hadn’t heard. > > Please quote me or my name so I can avoid reading other spoilers when I look for replies. I don’t recall any, but I’ve learned to not trust my memory about TV shows. [Here’s a list](http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/companions/) of all the Companions. **Warning, linked website contains spoilers on new series if you click on links!** ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/9 "2006-06-17T23:23:50Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Any major character changes in Season Two with Doctor # 11? Hell yes. He’s much less grim, seems to have got over the death of the Time Lords to a much greater extent, and exhibits a constant upbeat zaniness. He’s very fun loving, willingly participating in jokes, but has also exhibited a much darker core than even Eccleston. Whereas the Ninth Doctor preferred to be “coward rather than killer”, the Tenth Doctor has proved himself willing to be ruthlessly brutal in eliminating threats. In particular, when Rose is threatened he becomes almost pyschopathic in his determination not only to save her, but also to eliminate the threat entirely. He also has an ongoing trope about his love of humanity, in partiuclar our inventiveness, ability to adapt and wild variety. He has had at least three big speeches on the inestimable potential and brilliant abilities of ordinary humans (once before the big bad aliens revealed in The Christmas Invasion, once before the Cyber Controller, and once before- well, I don’t think I’ll spoil that last one, but it is certainly the most terrible threat the Doctor has ever faced, bar none, and IMO the best episode of Doctor Who). Contrast this to Eccleston being frequently scornful of “stupid apes” and you add up to quite a different Doctor. He also does a mean Scots accent. > [@](#): > > What’s happened to K-9? Any truth to the rumor that he came back? He does indeed return, in School Reunion, the 4th episode of the 2nd series (if you count The Christmas Invasion). Turns out he was left on earth as a gift for Sarah Jane. He is very important in that episode. > [@](#): > > Any more Daleks? > > Do we ever see another Time Lord? (Since we sure as hell saw Daleks!) Well, not yet (either) but in “New Earth”, an otherwise forgettable episode, a dying Face of Boe reveals he has a great secret to reveal to the Doctor. Smart money on this has it being the survival of at least one Time Lord, hopefully the Master! > [@](#): > > Does Doctor 11 stay for Season Three? Is there going to be a third season? Yes on both accounts. This series is one of the most popular shows on the BBC, constantly dragging in by far the largest audience share for its timeslot, so I would predict new series for some time to come. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/10 "2006-06-17T23:25:47Z")
> [@Happy Clam](#): > > Yes on both accounts. This series is one of the most popular shows on the BBC, constantly dragging in by far the largest audience share for its timeslot, so I would predict new series for some time to come. 😃 Great news! I’m surprised the original ever got canned. What was the story on that? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/11 "2006-06-17T23:33:18Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > 😃 Great news! > > I’m surprised the original ever got canned. What was the story on that? It suffered a noticeable reduction in quality, and ceased pulling in the _massive_ audiences it had in the early days- a highly unfair comparison, considering it was still getting consistently high ratings for its timeslot, and that sort of thing. Word has it these were simply excuses used by the Director of Programming for the BBC at the time to pull the program- he apparently hated it, for reasons best known to himself (in fairness, the last couple of series are not that great). I’m sure you can find a more complete story on the internets, probably Wikipedia (where I believe I originally got most of this information); ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/12 "2006-06-17T23:37:29Z")
Katarina died. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/companions/page5.shtml](http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/companions/page5.shtml) So did Sara Kingdom, but she was only in one story, fans have been debating for decades whether she counts as a companion or not. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/13 "2006-06-17T23:47:02Z")
> [@Peter Morris](#): > > So did Sara Kingdom, but she was only in one story, fans have been debating for decades whether she counts as a companion or not. [The BBC’s take on Kingdom.](http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/daleksmasterplan/trivia.shtml) (scroll down to Myths) I dunno… I feel a companion at least needs to make two eps, but I’m sure you’ve heard that all before. I had forgotten about Katrina. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/14 "2006-06-17T23:50:44Z")
> [@Happy Clam](#): > > Word has it these were simply excuses used by the Director of Programming for the BBC at the time to pull the program- he apparently hated it, for reasons best known to himself (in fairness, the last couple of series are not that great). Sounds like what happened here with Star Trek. The bigass powers that be hate all things Trek. But, the last two series weren’t all that great. Makes one wonder what can happen with sci-fi TV if it could ever be led by true Sci-Fi fans. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2006, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/15 "2006-06-17T23:53:31Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > Sounds like what happened here with Star Trek. The bigass powers that be hate all things Trek. But, the last two series weren’t all that great. Makes one wonder what can happen with sci-fi TV if it could ever be led by true Sci-Fi fans. It would last 2 episodes before they exhausted the budget and ran the series into the ground with fanwankery and ridiculously anal attention to detail (“We can’t have any sound during this space battle!” “Of course not!” “That would be ridiculous”). -Happy Clam, who has a poor opinion of SF fans, even though he is one. ---
**Author:** ![ryobserver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b2d939/32.png) [@ryobserver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ryobserver)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/16 "2006-06-18T01:27:23Z")
> [@riker1384](#): > > I have a question that’s related to a spoiler I just reading in [another thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=375148&page=2). Is Rose the first female Companion to be killed in a Doctor Who series? I remember Adric died but for heaven’s sake I thought the pretty girls were never harmed. That’s depressing and I wish I hadn’t heard. They killed Peri during the “Trial of a Timelord” season, then chickened out and announced she’d actually survived. Reportedly Nicola Bryant, who had been pleased with her dramatic exit, was very annoyed. And it’s not yet confirmed that Rose will die; the Powers that Be are refusing to discuss those rumors, and Piper herself says her character’s journey ends “for now at least”, which leaves a door open. BBC report [here.](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5082668.stm) ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/17 "2006-06-19T23:26:09Z")
> [@Happy Clam](#): > > It suffered a noticeable reduction in quality, and ceased pulling in the _massive_ audiences it had in the early days- a highly unfair comparison, considering it was still getting consistently high ratings for its timeslot, and that sort of thing. Word has it these were simply excuses used by the Director of Programming for the BBC at the time to pull the program- he apparently hated it, for reasons best known to himself (in fairness, the last couple of series are not that great). I’m sure you can find a more complete story on the internets, probably Wikipedia (where I believe I originally got most of this information); Douglas Adams had a lot to answer for (He was script editor for a while and also responsible for some of the sillier stories). Whether he was actually told to kill it will never be known, but he seemed at the time to be having a damned good try. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2006, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/18 "2006-06-19T23:59:23Z")
> [@Boulter's Canary](#): > > Douglas Adams had a lot to answer for (He was script editor for a while and also responsible for some of the sillier stories). Whether he was actually told to kill it will never be known, but he seemed at the time to be having a damned good try. I thought his writing credits were in the 70s. Did he come back? What eps were his? (a link will be fine, if anyone has one) ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2006, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/19 "2006-06-20T00:27:35Z")
> [@NoClueBoy](#): > > I thought his writing credits were in the 70s. Did he come back? What eps were his? (a link will be fine, if anyone has one) They were, but I feel that the decline started then. Maybe I’m just prejudiced and my dislike of ‘Hitch-Hiker’s’ is showing - But anyone with the series best interests at heart would, I feel, not have even _attempted_ something like \*\*‘Doctor Who and the Krikketmen’. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![cerberus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cerberus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cerberus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2006, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-spoilers-from-the-uk-to-the-us/361065/20 "2006-06-21T03:29:58Z")
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