# Doctor Who: The End of Time - SPOILERS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 21, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459 "2009-11-21T21:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/181 "2010-01-09T23:33:26Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > They could bring Omega back for another round. I always felt sorry for him. All he’s trying to do is get back into our universe made of matter. > [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > There’s already Internet rumors that Moffat will bring the Master back and cast James Nesbitt. I’m almost certain this is nothing more than a rumor, but man, Nesbitt would definitely bring a different sort of edge to the character. And by that, I mean, he’d probably be scary as fuck. I kind of like Simm’s Master. It seems like ever since Doctor Who has come back most episodes are like horror movies. I think a dangerous but upbeat villain helps keep the show from getting too dark. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/182 "2010-01-10T02:10:11Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I always felt sorry for him. All he’s trying to do is get back into our universe made of matter. > > I kind of like Simm’s Master. It seems like ever since Doctor Who has come back most episodes are like horror movies. I think a dangerous but upbeat villain helps keep the show from getting too dark. I adore Simm’s Master completely. But he already said he would not be back, so if Moffat does want to have the Master return, it’s going to have to be the regenerated version. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/183 "2010-01-10T02:24:19Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > But he already said he would not be back Oh, I didn’t realize that. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/184 "2010-01-10T02:37:00Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I always felt sorry for him. All he’s trying to do is get back into our universe made of matter. The Doctor felt sorry for him too, but (1.) Omega was incurably barking mad; and (2.) both times he tried to reenter our universe it placed the entire universe in danger of destruction. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/185 "2010-01-10T03:06:43Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > Or we may be giving continuity a lot more thought than most Doctor Who writers. Have you played Charades? I’m tapping my nose. Er, not that other Doctor Who writers had even passing familiarity with continuity. The great thing about playing with time is that what you do may not affect the path you were previously following, but you and another you are now following different paths. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/186 "2010-01-10T03:08:21Z")
> [@si\_blakely](#): > > I said to my son as soon as the scene started “I bet Jack shoots first”. Haven’t seen it yet, but Jack would TOTALLY shoot first. Loads of fun at parties, but he’s not a nice guy. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/187 "2010-01-10T03:10:48Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > The Doctor felt sorry for him too, but (1.) Omega was incurably barking mad; and (2.) both times he tried to reenter our universe it placed the entire universe in danger of destruction. I’ve always wondered though, if the doctor wouldn’t have interfered the second time and let Omega’s process go through to completion, would he have been successful? ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2010, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/188 "2010-01-11T13:46:37Z")
> [@pepperlandgirl](#): > > There’s already Internet rumors that Moffat will bring the Master back and cast James Nesbitt. I’m almost certain this is nothing more than a rumor, but man, Nesbitt would definitely bring a different sort of edge to the character. And by that, I mean, he’d probably be scary as fuck. I like this rumor, so I will now doom it, by hoping it’s true. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/189 "2010-01-16T23:27:58Z")
Regarding the mysterious Time Lady, [here](http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=20_things_we_learnt_from)’s the [word of God](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod) (or Satan, in the eyes of some of the crabbier fans): “I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine what you want. I think the fans will say it’s Romana. Or even the Rani. Some might say that it’s Susan’s mother, I suppose. But of course it’s meant to be the Doctor’s mother”. > [@dropzone](#): > > Haven’t seen it yet, but Jack would TOTALLY shoot first. Loads of fun at parties, but he’s not a nice guy. In _Torchwood_, Jack would shoot first. In _Doctor Who_, the Doctor would stop him with a word and a withering glance. (We are talking about shooting as in firing a gun right? I mean, an actual weapon… oh, never mind.) ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2010, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/190 "2010-01-17T01:24:30Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > Regarding the mysterious Time Lady, [here](http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=20_things_we_learnt_from)’s the [word of God](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod) (or Satan, in the eyes of some of the crabbier fans): > > “I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine what you want. I think the fans will say it’s Romana. Or even the Rani. Some might say that it’s Susan’s mother, I suppose. But of course it’s meant to be the Doctor’s mother” This may be a stupid question, but how can he say both that the lady’s identity is open and that she’s the Doctor’s mom in the same sentence? ---
**Author:** ![WotNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e19b73/32.png) [@WotNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WotNot)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2010, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/191 "2010-01-17T10:14:53Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > This may be a stupid question, but how can he say both that the lady’s identity is open and that she’s the Doctor’s mom in the same sentence? I count five sentences, but I take your point;) What he means is that it’s not “canon”. While he, personally, may have thought of her as the Doctor’s mother while writing the script, there’s no way of knowing that from watching the programme. Future writers could, if they chose to bring her back or refer to her, legitimately make her anyone they like: she may turn out to have been Romana, or Susan, or someone else entirely. I’m sure that Russell himself, if he were staying with the programme, would happily reveal her to be someone other than the Doctor’s mother if he came up with a better idea ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2010, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/192 "2010-01-17T10:18:35Z")
Oh, gotcha. She was intended to be his mom, but she could be written to be someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2010, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/193 "2010-01-17T23:46:34Z")
I just assumed her to be his mother when watching the show, though I have relatively little familiarity with the classic stories & characters, so I had no idea if that was even possible or not. But as a viewer of the new series, that’s what it looked like to me. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/194 "2010-01-17T23:56:11Z")
I’d presumed she was supposed to be his **wife** , from the way he pointedly looked at Donna and her husband leaving the church. ETA, although now it’s been pointed out to me, it would make sense if the two Time Lord holdouts were the Doctor’s parents. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2010, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/195 "2010-01-18T01:38:29Z")
> [@TWDuke](#): > > Is it wrong of me to want Paul McGann to make an appearance? Not at all. Though on video he is a one-off, he’s continued to play the Eighth Doctor until the present. He belongs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459.md?page=9)