# Doctor Who: The End of Time - SPOILERS! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 21, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459 "2009-11-21T21:53:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/141 "2010-01-05T07:12:24Z")
> [@](#): > > What’s the deal with Captain Jack and Alonso? Glad to see both of those characters. With Luke (from Sarah Jane - companion and spinoff) it was a life save, with Martha (companion) it was a life save and referenced wedding (she had unrequited love issues) with Mickey (sorta companion) (he had unrequited love issues), with Donna (companion) it was wedding (she had unrequited love issues), with Rose (companion) it was a past visit (she’s unaccessible in parallel universe), with Jack (companion and spinoff) they couldn’t do life save since he’s invulnerable or wedding since his spinoff will continue, so they had him findca new fling to mend his broken (Ianto dead, Jack fled) heart. Make it Alonso in a spacebar to allow maximum cameo + “alonsi Alonso reference”. That said probably won’t be more than a fling since he’s a lead in his own series now - Being Human. Though I think his gf in that series was cactus lady in this episode… > [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > As was Donna and her fella getting married was too.. I wonder why she didn’t get with stuttering library planet guy as foreshadowed… > [@dangermom](#): > > Yeah, that was totally the Mos Eisley cantina. Mos def ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/142 "2010-01-05T07:53:13Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > I wonder why she didn’t get with stuttering library planet guy as foreshadowed… He was from the future and another planet, and she’s still not supposed to remember she was ever there. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/143 "2010-01-05T09:59:06Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > That said probably won’t be more than a fling since he’s a lead in his own series now - Being Human. Though I think his gf in that series was cactus lady in this episode… Yes she is - well spotted for a murican 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/144 "2010-01-05T10:25:25Z")
Ta for that - I’ve been trying to think where I’d seen her recently. ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/145 "2010-01-05T11:11:31Z")
> [@Candyman74](#): > > I thuoght he was married? Could be wrong though. He was married, but was allegedy bisexual. Although the only evidence for this dates back to [1946](http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/apr/16/filmnews.film). ---
**Author:** ![Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/46a35a/32.png) [@Walker\_in\_Eternity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walker_in_Eternity)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/146 "2010-01-05T11:18:40Z")
> [@typoink](#): > > I think Rassilon was definitely THE [Rassilon](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rassilon). Differences could be accounted for by regeneration, the years of all-out war, and the weakening of Time Lord society in general. I don’t think there’s any reason to assume it’s a different BEING just because his personality seemed radically different. I agree, besides Rassilon has always been an ambiguous character, it is stated in the Five Doctors that he was immortal and there was uncertainty about whether he closed down the Death Zone or was involved in organising the games there. [QUOTE=wikiarticle] The Tomb or Tower of Rassilon, also known as the Dark Tower, stands in the middle of the Death Zone — a blasted, barren plain — on Gallifrey. The Death Zone was used, in a period of Gallifrey’s history known as the Dark Time, as an arena that pitted warriors of various alien species and times (captured by the use of a device called the Time Scoop) against each other in gladiatorial games, although the Second Doctor tells the Brigadier that Rassilon put a stop to the games (The Five Doctors, 1983). It was rumored that Rassilon, who lived during this time, had been deposed by Time Lords rebelling against his rule. It was also claimed Rassilon had discovered the secret of immortality and was still alive in the Tower, sleeping. The quest to reach Rassilon’s tomb and the secret, blocked by a series of deadly obstacles, is referred to as “The Game of Rassilon”. [/QUOTE] Also, but not canon, Rassilon was definitely a villain in the Virgin Novels and the Big Finish Audio Plays. > [@](#): > > Rassilon..(snip)…was also shown to continue to exist in the Matrix. He is also portrayed, not as a benevolent figure, but a master manipulator willing to preserve Time Lord history and society as he knew it at all costs, transforming the Doctor into his assassin- a being of pure anti-time- to defeat the Divergents, a race who would have evolved to surpass the Time Lords if reality had progressed as it should have. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/147 "2010-01-05T14:07:58Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > That said probably won’t be more than a fling since he’s a lead in his own series now - Being Human. Though I think his gf in that series was cactus lady in this episode… Yeah, great show, too. Series 2 is ready to go, and should begin airing in a week or so. It’s a small show though, and if there’s a series 3, it probably won’t take much time out of the actor’s year. OTOH, I’m not sure how they’d work Alonso into Torchwood. It’d be a bit strange if Jack came back to Torchwood with a new boyfriend in tow. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/148 "2010-01-05T16:19:34Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > With Luke (from Sarah Jane - companion and spinoff) it was a life save, with Martha (companion) it was a life save and referenced wedding (she had unrequited love issues) with Mickey (sorta companion) (he had unrequited love issues), with Donna (companion) it was wedding (she had unrequited love issues), with Rose (companion) it was a past visit (she’s unaccessible in parallel universe), with Jack (companion and spinoff) they couldn’t do life save since he’s invulnerable or wedding since his spinoff will continue, so they had him findca new fling to mend his broken (Ianto dead, Jack fled) heart. Make it Alonso in a spacebar to allow maximum cameo + “alonsi Alonso reference”. I just now realized that this montage really reinforced how much this doctor cared for Rose. All the other visits were so the Doctor could give a gift to his friends. But going to see Rose one last time…that was just a gift to himself. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/149 "2010-01-05T19:06:17Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > With Luke (from Sarah Jane - companion and spinoff) it was a life save, \ Just trivia, but the Luke save was essentially a PSA for looking both ways before crossing a street. It turns out one of Russel Davies’ peeves is actors, and especially kid actors, crossing streets without looking both ways, because streets are always blocked off while shooting so people don’t have to be as careful. I’m curious about Martha’s save though. Was it just dramatic coincidence he was there at the right time, or did he have foreknowledge somehow that Martha dies at that time and place? ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/150 "2010-01-05T19:29:01Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I’m curious about Martha’s save though. Was it just dramatic coincidence he was there at the right time, or did he have foreknowledge somehow that Martha dies at that time and place? I imagine the same amount as knowledge as he did for saving Luke or knowing Jack was in that bar or knowing that whats her face was doing a book signing. ---
**Author:** ![si\_blakely](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@si\_blakely](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/si_blakely)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/151 "2010-01-07T09:21:30Z")
> [@dangermom](#): > > Yeah, that was totally the Mos Eisley cantina. I said to my son as soon as the scene started “I bet Jack shoots first”. The way the scene played out, maybe he did. 😉 Si ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/152 "2010-01-07T09:28:41Z")
Did anyone get slightly Daisy Steiner-vibes from Verity Newman? Nurse Redfern was nothing at all like Daisy, but something about Verity got me thinking “Skip to the end!” ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 10:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/153 "2010-01-07T10:27:18Z")
I think it was just seeing the actress cold, given that she’s most known for being Daisy. ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2010, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/154 "2010-01-07T10:50:23Z")
Possibly, and it certainly didn’t help that I got “Spaced” for Christmas so I’d been rewatching it and had Daisy fresh in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/155 "2010-01-08T13:47:04Z")
A friend brought up an interesting point. The Tenth Doctor is actually alive someplace. For example, if he appeared in 2024 to help John F Kennedy’s great-great granddaughter reveal the truth behind the assassination. That event will still happen. Fourteen years from now, he’ll be running around helping as he always does. In a way, all the prior doctors could pop up at any time. Whenever the Tardis landed at an event that occurs in the future. Bad news for David Tennant. He thought he was done playing the Doctor. 😉 There’s always a chance of an another Three Doctors special with Eccleston, Tennant and the new guy. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/156 "2010-01-08T15:35:17Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > A friend brought up an interesting point. The Tenth Doctor is actually alive someplace. For example, if he appeared in 2024 to help John F Kennedy’s great-great granddaughter reveal the truth behind the assassination. That event will still happen. Fourteen years from now, he’ll be running around helping as he always does. > > In a way, all the prior doctors could pop up at any time. Whenever the Tardis landed at an event that occurs in the future. > > Bad news for David Tennant. He thought he was done playing the Doctor. 😉 There’s always a chance of an another Three Doctors special with Eccleston, Tennant and the new guy. Heh, good point, that never really occurred to me. Plus there’s still 10.2 in the parallel universe with Rose. If they ever wanted to bring back David Tennant for a special some years down the line, there are plenty of ways to make it work. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/157 "2010-01-08T16:21:03Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > A friend brought up an interesting point. The Tenth Doctor is actually alive someplace. For example, if he appeared in 2024 to help John F Kennedy’s great-great granddaughter reveal the truth behind the assassination. That event will still happen. Fourteen years from now, he’ll be running around helping as he always does. > > In a way, all the prior doctors could pop up at any time. Whenever the Tardis landed at an event that occurs in the future. > > Bad news for David Tennant. He thought he was done playing the Doctor. 😉 There’s always a chance of an another Three Doctors special with Eccleston, Tennant and the new guy. Tennant has said he wouldn’t be averse to coming back for such an episode if it came up, as long as the suit still fit. I’d like to see something like that. I think Nine would put Ten in a headlock and give him noogies for being so maudlin about regenerating. “What’s all this ‘I don’t want to go’ crap? Man up! You didn’t see me whining about dying and becoming you, now did ya?” ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/158 "2010-01-08T20:36:49Z")
Hell, what would be wrong with also including Sylvester McCoy, Colin Baker, and Peter Davison? Yeah, they’re older now, but Patrick Troughton did an episode with Colin Baker about 20 years after playing the doctor. ---
**Author:** ![TWDuke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/159 "2010-01-08T20:50:10Z")
Is it wrong of me to want Paul McGann to make an appearance? Somehow I doubt Christopher Eccleston will be coming back. I have the feeling that he was a little embarrassed by the role, or at list uncomfortable with it. His performance seemed a little detached to me, and his interviews a bit unenthusiastic. (Although I’m sure that’s in part the contrast to Tennant’s obvious glee – I started watching the first two seasons simultaneously, when one was on Sci Fi and one was on BBC America.) > [@Jenaroph](#): > > I think Nine would put Ten in a headlock and give him noogies for being so maudlin about regenerating. “What’s all this ‘I don’t want to go’ crap? Man up! You didn’t see me whining about dying and becoming you, now did ya?” To which Tennant could reply, “Have you _looked_ at us?” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459/160 "2010-01-08T21:36:22Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > A friend brought up an interesting point. The Tenth Doctor is actually alive someplace. For example, if he appeared in 2024 to help John F Kennedy’s great-great granddaughter reveal the truth behind the assassination. That event will still happen. Fourteen years from now, he’ll be running around helping as he always does. > > In a way, all the prior doctors could pop up at any time. Whenever the Tardis landed at an event that occurs in the future. > > Bad news for David Tennant. He thought he was done playing the Doctor. 😉 There’s always a chance of an another Three Doctors special with Eccleston, Tennant and the new guy. Sure, a Doctor could show up anywhere, from any time. But the Doctor always knows where and when he’s been, and doesn’t cross his own time-line when he can avoid it. I don’t know if you saw it, but there was a mini-episode called Time Crash where Tennant and Peter Davison blundered into each other, thanks to some timey-whimey stuff. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/doctor-who-the-end-of-time-spoilers/518459.md?page=9)