# Does Anybody Actually Find "A Handmaid's Tale" Remotely Plausible? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 27, 2017, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357 "2017-04-27T13:09:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/201 "2017-05-05T12:50:35Z")
To illustrate. When I was in England, man who’d killed his SO would say _Killed the cheatin slut. She deserved it_. Reported as “Man kills partner”. Here he says “Killed my wife, she was cheating on me”. Reported a s" Women killed for honour". Honour killings do happen, but the newest trend seems to be to define them as anytime a woman gets murdered. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/202 "2017-05-05T12:59:24Z")
Note: the rates above of women being murdered are based on the number of women murdered compared to the total population of the country, both men and women. As far as your remark about “what a horrible person” v. “what horrible people” goes, please note that the great difference in rates of violence against women between our countries very much is a reflections of the different cultures, unless you a proposing that you country has a much higher proportion of horrible persons irrespective of their environment. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/203 "2017-05-05T14:28:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The appeal of The Handmaid’s Tale is that some people simply like to fancy that things are much worse, or will be much worse, nationwide, than they really are. They love imagining how awful something will be. They \*like \*bad. > > It reminds me of right-wingers who claimed Obama was a socialist Muslim who’d take everyone’s guns away. I think at some point they were \*disappointed \*that Obama didn’t turn out to be anything like that. Very incisive. There are so many gloom-and-doomers on both sides of the spectrum who are extremely resistant to accepting the reality that the world not only isn’t going to hell in a handbasket, but has massively reduced poverty, hunger, violence, and general human misery in recent decades. > [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > It doesn’t appear as though he _needs_ to defend it. Pretty much everyone agrees that the scenario presented isn’t plausible. That’s not to say there aren’t important lessons to be learnt from the book and the show. Obviously there are. But there are lots of people online (links available on request) opining that the US is in clear and present danger of turning into the Republic of Gilead with the only necessary intermediate step being the continuing Presidency of Donald Trump, which I think we can all agree is obviously bollocks. Yes, this. I would not argue that the book has no worth as a chilling dystopian narrative (I’m a big Atwood fan). It’s all the op-eds saying we’re already 99 percent of the way to Gilead that make me roll my eyes. (If they were instead talking about _The Manchurian Candidate_, I’d be more sympathetic.) > [@jsgoddess](#): > > I think [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=530494) is the thread where it was most discussed. Skimming that thread, what I find the most surprising is the number of people saying “aaah, screw the human race”. :eek: > [@jtur88](#): > > The USA, in my lifetime, abolished capital punishment and decriminalized abortion, and then reneged and took them back again. That’s quite the hyperbole as regards abortion. :rolleyes: > [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You youngsters went remember these, and you might not believe them. > > [10 Things That American Women Could Not Do Before the 1970s](http://msmagazine.com/blog/2013/05/28/10-things-that-american-women-could-not-do-before-the-1970s/) > Granted, not all of these are earth-shaking (no need to point that out), but did you know that a woman could not get credit in get own name? That there was no “no-fault” divorce-- someone had to be blamed. And of course, abortion was illegal. This was all in very recent memory. Right, but more to the point: where’s the list of “rights women used to have, that were subsequently taken away”? > [@Trinopus](#): > > At present, we have too many social checks upon any single-party dictatorship or single-religion theocracy. Even a truly severe economic crash wouldn’t overturn the U.S.'s essential libertarian mind-set. This is an important point. Much more now than in the 1980s, most of the furthest right extremists tend toward hardcore libertarianism, not fascism. That doesn’t leave much fruitful ground for the Gilead scenario. Which is about the only good thing I can think to say about gun-nut libertarians, but there ya go. > [@Annoying\_Buzz](#): > > Earlier this month, the Alabama State Senate voted 24-4 to allow the Briarwood Presbyterian Church to start its own police force. If this move doesn’t get shut down by the Supreme Court, it looks to me like a dangerous step toward police enforcement of religious edicts. There are a few states that might be pretty scary if they were allowed to pass any laws they wanted, with no check by the federal courts. Alabama is one of the most prominent among them, and you could also throw in other places like Oklahoma and Mississippi. But they are outliers, extreme cases. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yeah, but that’s why she calls her book Science Fiction. 😃 Atwood is sort of the Ursula K. Le Guin of SciFi. 😕 I thought LeGuin herself was the Ursula K. LeGuin of SF. > [@RickJay](#): > > Even in situations where the military takes things over, things don’t change that fast. There’s plenty of fairly recent examples of revolutions and coups, and people still get married like they did before and have kids and play soccer. The moment of extreme change is the war itself. > > Dictatorships that have tried to make society completely change have almost always failed. The Soviet Union had grand designs for universal atheism that never took hold, for instance. > > Even Orwell, in “1984,” didn’t change things TOO much; the proles still lived their lives getting married and having babies and going to pubs, and it was clearly an ongoing effort about 30 years or so in the making to get Outer Party members to act and feel differently than they had before. Yes, great point. I reread the book recently, and they don’t even bother trying to change the proles’ lives much except to watch out for any that engage in political agitation and eliminate them. And the evolution of Outer Party members’ language to Newspeak is definitely in a fairly early stage. One nod Atwood does make to continuity is a kind of wry remark about how even after everything, there’s still football on Sundays. (Gotta think life would be rather different for your average NFL player, though.) > [@Miller](#): > > So, you’re saying there’s a significant social distinction between being divorced once, and being divorced twice. > > Okay, then. I would agree there is. Especially when in the former case, your first wife is six years your junior, and your second wife is only another four years younger than that; whereas in the latter case, wife #2 is fourteen years younger than wife #1, and current wife #3 is another seven years younger than that. > [@madmonk28](#): > > Do you think that Orwell thought _Animal Farm_ was actually going to happen, that animals were going to develop speech and then authoritarianism? No, he thought it had \*already \*happened, as it is clearly a story of the Russian Revolution and the seizure of power by Stalin. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I nominate this for Durpiest Post of the Month. I guess you also think National Book Award winner (and youngest ever presidential speechwriter) [James Fallows](https://www.theatlantic.com/author/james-fallows/boiledfrog/) is “durpy”? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/204 "2017-05-05T15:28:28Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > …No, he thought it had \*already \*happened, as it is clearly a story of the Russian Revolution and the seizure of power by Stalin… I must have missed the part where the farm animals started talking in the Soviet Union which is embarrassing what with having a degree in Russian studies and all. It’s almost as if both Orwell and Atwood used allegory to make a political point. I think the fact that so many need to lash out at Atwood is because her writing touched a nerve and conservative America must put her in her place. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/205 "2017-05-05T15:38:26Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I must have missed the part where the farm animals started talking in the Soviet Union which is embarrassing what with having a degree in Russian studies and all. It’s almost as if both Orwell and Atwood used allegory to make a political point. I think the fact that so many need to lash out at Atwood is because her writing touched a nerve and conservative America must put her in her place. If you seriously don’t see that Napoleon clearly represents Stalin, I don’t know what else to say. As for the rest, I’m not sure why you’re directing that at me. I’m a Democrat and a big fan of Atwood. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/206 "2017-05-05T16:20:08Z")
I wasn’t directing at you, sorry if I gave that impression and obviously Napoleon represents Stalin. The point of my original reference to Animal Farm is that the OP seems to be looking for some exact historical parallel to Atwood’s work. I wanted to know why he was using that standard when there are other great political books like Animal Farm (and my favorite Heart of a Dog) that are more fantastic, but still cutting in their insight. I find it telling that a woman writer taking on right wing politicized Christianity is held up for ridicule. She has to be mocked because her message is so subversive. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/207 "2017-05-05T16:45:42Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I wasn’t directing at you, sorry if I gave that impression and obviously Napoleon represents Stalin. > > The point of my original reference to Animal Farm is that the OP seems to be looking for some exact historical parallel to Atwood’s work. I wanted to know why he was using that standard when there are other great political books like Animal Farm (and my favorite Heart of a Dog) that are more fantastic, but still cutting in their insight. > > I find it telling that a woman writer taking on right wing politicized Christianity is held up for ridicule. She has to be mocked because her message is so subversive. I’m not sure Margaret Atwood is being widely mocked. The question being asked in the thread is rather more specific than that, and in general I think it’s fair to say Atwood had been lionized for “The Handmaid’s Tale,” which has sold a bazillion copies, won many awards, and in 32 years has never been out of print. ---
**Author:** ![Karen\_Lingel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karen_lingel/32/18649_2.png) [@Karen\_Lingel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karen_Lingel)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/208 "2017-05-05T22:46:03Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > _Animal Farm_ qualifies in the “left wing dystopia” category, as does Orwell’s other classic _1984_. Well, I find _1984_ EXTREMELY plausible also. Big Brother? Check. Ministry of Fake News? Check! “We have always been at war with Muslimia”? Check. As for _Animal Farm_, I don’t believe that the animals will rise up, but the socialism-evolves-into-new-class-system: very plausible. (PS, The library finally came through and delivered _Harold Bergeron_ (or whatever it is called) to me, in a tome with 32 other dystopian short stories. I am all ready to get my despair on for the next couple of weeks! Whee.) ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 9:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/209 "2017-05-07T09:19:16Z")
[Margaret Atwood answer the question:](http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thesundayedition/may-7-2017-the-sunday-edition-with-michael-enright-1.4097864/from-hannah-arendt-to-the-handmaid-s-tale-margaret-atwood-and-lit-scholars-talk-dystopia-in-the-age-of-trump-1.4097872) > [@](#): > > \*\*[Michael Enright:] How much faith do you have that the democratic culture in America now constituted will prevail? > \*\* > **Atwood:** I have quite a lot of faith, because America is very diverse and has a long tradition of freedom of speech, speaking up, civic participation. I don’t think people are just going to to roll over for this. I think it would be a lot harder to actually control all America in the way that Hitler controlled all Germany. It’s not homogeneous in the way that Germany was. So I have faith in individual Americans to push back, and I’m seeing a lot of pushing back. > > **[Michael Enright:] Let me be parochial for a moment. Could it happen here in Canada?** > > **Atwood:** People asked me that as soon as I published the book. It would be harder, because again Canada is so diverse. And I don’t think Quebec would sit still for it, because they had a dose of that under Duplessis. That’s my theory. I’m a screaming optimist as we all know. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/210 "2017-05-07T09:48:07Z")
> [@Karen\_Lingel](#): > > As for _Animal Farm_, I don’t believe that the animals will rise up, but the socialism-evolves-into-new-class-system: very plausible. It’s not just plausible, it’s historical. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/211 "2017-05-07T09:50:13Z")
Atwood answering the questing during an interview on Q @ [17:28](http://www.cbc.ca/radio/popup/audio/listen.html?autoPlay=true&clipIds=&mediaIds=937178179895&contentarea=radio&subsection1=radio1&subsection2=entertainment&subsection3=Q&contenttype=audio&title=2017/05/05/1.4097042-these-are-old-human-themes-margaret-atwood-on-the-enduring-power-of-the-handmaids-tale&contentid=1.4097042): > [@](#): > > What gives me optimism is that fact that people in the United States are not siting still for attempts to limit them, the kinds of attempts that are being made, and those attempts are being made in many different areas, including cutting their access to health care. I think that the fact that there is a lot of push-back is what is going to weigh in on the side of this not happening. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/212 "2017-05-08T01:29:37Z")
Heck, it’s not even clear that it happens in the book. Bear in mind that in the book, it’s clear Gilead is not the entire United States, but a part of it, and that there is ongoing warfare over parts of the USA. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/213 "2017-05-08T04:10:26Z")
I always imagined that the Republic of Gilead was in a perpetual state of civil war with the remnants of the US; it might not even control anything west of the Mississippi; let alone all the way to the Pacific coast. California in particular I imagine either as a fully independent nation or a radioactive wasteland. Nothing in between. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/214 "2017-05-08T12:27:43Z")
The _precise_ scenario, probably not. Something similar or worse, I consider quite likely. I expect that racial purification will be at least as much a preoccupation as misogyny, for one. And I don’t think the theocrats would feel the need for a infertility plague to justify reducing women to breeding animals; that’s already what they think women are for. > [@Kimera757](#): > > I was wondering when this one would come up. Also the Taliban swiftly taking over (most of) Afghanistan. > > That kind of thing has happened in real life (Iran and Afghanistan being the most obvious examples). I doubt it could happen in the US. As soon as women could vote, the likelihood of something like that happening went from slim to zero. Voter suppression means that authorities wanting to disregard the opinion of women just need to prevent women from being allowed to vote, or throw those votes out. If, for example it became common for polling places to be guarded by gangs of thugs loyal to the regime who would assault, rape or kill women who tried to vote, you wouldn’t see much of a women’s vote anymore even if it did remain \*technically \*legal. And no, that’s not particularly unrealistic; similar things have been done to suppress black votes, and Trump as much as called for it during the election, aimed at brown people rather than women. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/215 "2017-05-08T12:31:04Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Voter suppression means that authorities wanting to disregard the opinion of women just need to prevent women from being allowed to vote, or throw those votes out. If, for example it became common for polling places to be guarded by gangs of thugs loyal to the regime who would assault, rape or kill women who tried to vote, you wouldn’t see much of a women’s vote anymore even if it did remain \*technically \*legal. > > And no, that’s not particularly unrealistic; similar things have been done to suppress black votes, and Trump as much as called for it during the election, aimed at brown people rather than women. No one knew how difficult it was to prevent women and Hispanics from voting! ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/216 "2017-05-08T18:16:42Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And no, that’s not particularly unrealistic; similar things have been done to suppress black votes, and Trump as much as called for it during the election, aimed at brown people rather than women. When did this juicy piece of evilry happen? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/217 "2017-05-09T06:38:33Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Does Anybody Actually Find “A Handmaid’s Tale” Remotely Plausible Having seen the first two in the miniseries, it plainly isn’t plausible; with the exception of the one most brutal person, the entire population appears to have dropped 60lbs. > [@naita](#): > > It’s a 1985 dystopian fiction extrapolating from reality, not an attempt at Nostradamean prediction of the near future. Do you also yell at people who like Game of Thrones and ask them if they think Winter is our greatest threat? > > Can any sane, intelligent person look at the novel and miniseries and conclude that Atwood in creating a fictional future with important changes in fertility etc. ascribes unreasonable levels of power to the religious conservatives in our current, completely different, society? Indeed. Fwiw, although using infertility as a devise isn’t new (although it may have been much newer in 1985) but I am finding the drama draws me in. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/218 "2017-05-09T13:19:03Z")
I trhink it’s critical to note that the events of the book/series don’t just spontaneously happen because of Der Trihs’s certainly the Republicans will just try to do it. They happen because suddenly there aren’t any babies anymore, or damn few. How society would react to a sudden drop in fertility rates to “humans will become extict” levels is difficult to say, because one thing you CAN say is that it would result in sociological psychosis. Things absolutely would not just proceed as normal. The possibility of a religious zealotry taking over out of existential panic is quite plausible. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/219 "2017-05-10T13:56:07Z")
I heard Margaret Atwood interviewed on KCRW’s _The Business_, and it seems she came up with the “coda” for her book based on what I would consider an overly optimistic take on the [Appendix](http://orwell.ru/library/novels/1984/english/en_app) of George Orwell’s _1984_. Check out what she says about it [at the 18:30 mark](http://www.kcrw.com/news-culture/shows/the-business/margaret-atwood-and-bruce-miller-on-the-handmaids-tale) (spoilers for both 1984 and The Handmaid’s Tale, obv.). But maybe I’m wrong–maybe I’m the one who misunderstood Orwell’s intent. That sounds like a good topic for it’s own thread, actually… ---
**Author:** ![Karen\_Lingel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karen_lingel/32/18649_2.png) [@Karen\_Lingel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Karen_Lingel)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357/220 "2017-05-11T19:22:48Z")
OK, it took me a while to read this very short story, because I didn’t feel like dealing with fictional dystopia, given my current involvement in a very real one. But I read it and here are my pronouncements (includes spoilers) [ol] [li]Having about a hundred more amendments to the Constitution by 2080: Implausible/Laughable/Hilarious actually.[/li][li]People being deliberately handicapped to the lowest common denominator: Implausible/Laughable.[/li][li]Superior physical/mental humans becoming immune to the laws of gravity: Implausible/Laughable/Sad[/li][/ol] It seems to me that this story says that the author found the Equal Rights Amendment objectionable. Also: if “beautiful” people are always masked, how does anyone know what “beautiful” is? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anybody-actually-find-a-handmaids-tale-remotely-plausible/785357.md?page=12)