# Does anyone else have a hard accepting republican voters are decent people lately? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 22, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514 "2017-10-22T01:06:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/221 "2017-10-24T11:40:40Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s a ridiculous strawman. I don’t know a single conservative who wants to see poor people starve. No, not starve, just living on rice and beans, and old cans of beets from the food pantry. In fact, the rice and beans should come from the food pantry too. More tax money for drone strikes and sports stadiums so Mike Pence will have more places to march huffily out of. Now that’s tax money well spent. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/222 "2017-10-24T11:43:59Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Preach! > > I’m on the right. I dislike unions and the minimum wage. However, I think a basic income would work. So, is that hateful? What is basic income but minimum wage? What ever would be decided as basic income would become minimum wage. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/223 "2017-10-24T11:58:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > News Flash! Over 50% of Republicans are willing for hungry Americans not to starve. That’s happy news! > > This is the key point. Right-wingers will prattle all day long about how they support UBI _as long as no bipartisan UBI bill is on the table._ (And don’t expect one in your lifetime.) > > This gives them cover to support union-busting measures, fight against minimum wage, etc. since UBI obviates their need. > > Thus musings by our cephalopod and others remind one of the stingy parents who don’t spring the bucks to let their kid ride a donkey nor ride an elephant. “As soon as we find a unicorn, Junior, we’ll buy you _three_ rides on it.” Believe what you wish. However, it’s the counterproductive policies you support that have led to the rust belt here and an ascendant China. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/224 "2017-10-24T14:28:27Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > For a reasonable amount of migration, sure. But unlimited? That’s madness. That’s a ridiculous strawman. I don’t know a single liberal who wants to let everyone in. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/225 "2017-10-24T14:30:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s a ridiculous strawman. I don’t know a single liberal who wants to let everyone in. Well returned. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/226 "2017-10-24T14:51:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s a ridiculous strawman. I don’t know a single liberal who wants to let everyone in. Aren’t there folks on this very board who take exactly that position? Regardless, the 2016 Democratic Party Platform sure seems, on my read of it, to say that folks who got here illegally should get to stay. Which is, again, presumably why they put an illegal right up there on stage – you know, for emphasis. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/227 "2017-10-24T15:05:00Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Aren’t there folks on this very board who take exactly that position? Aren’t there folks on this very board who take exactly the same position that **octopus** claims is a strawman? > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Regardless, the 2016 Democratic Party Platform sure seems, on my read of it, to say that folks who got here illegally should get to stay. [Here is the 2016 Democratic Party Platform](https://www.democrats.org/party-platform)-show me. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/228 "2017-10-24T15:07:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That’s a ridiculous strawman. I don’t know a single liberal who wants to let everyone in. Perhaps. Iirc, there are people in these parts that actually advocate such a thing but let’s pretend that either they don’t exist or are not liberal. With what factors would you use to exclude people from immigration? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/229 "2017-10-24T15:11:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s a ridiculous strawman. I don’t know a single conservative who wants to see poor people starve. Perhaps. Iirc, there are people in these parts that actually advocate such a thing but let’s pretend that either they don’t exist or are not conservative. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/230 "2017-10-24T15:19:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Perhaps. Iirc, there are people in these parts that actually advocate such a thing but let’s pretend that either they don’t exist or are not conservative. You just going to post mockingly and tediously? Have fun. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/231 "2017-10-24T15:22:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You just going to post mockingly and tediously? Have fun. :rolleyes: You just keep pointing fingers, and I’ll just keep pointing out which direction the other fingers are pointing to every time you do so. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/232 "2017-10-24T15:29:41Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > You just keep pointing fingers, and I’ll just keep pointing out which direction the other fingers are pointing to every time you do so. 😕 It’s an explanation of sorts. I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/233 "2017-10-24T15:30:15Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > [Here is the 2016 Democratic Party Platform](https://www.democrats.org/party-platform)-show me. There’s a bit that reads: “More than 11 million people are living in the shadows, without proper documentation.” Just past that is this: “Those immigrants already living in the United States, who are assets to their communities and contribute so much to our country, should be incorporated completely into our society through legal processes” and that we of course “will end raids and roundups of children and families” and that we “will not stand for the divisive and derogatory language of Donald Trump. His offensive comments about immigrants and other communities have no place in our society.” So there’s no place in our society for his _comments_ about illegals, but there’s a place in our society _for those illegals?_ ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/234 "2017-10-24T15:38:09Z")
Those that are already here and who contribute so much to our country should be brought in fully through legal processes? Sounds good to me. Not tolerating the divisive and derogatory language of Donald Trump? Sounds good to me. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/235 "2017-10-24T15:42:44Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > There’s a bit that reads: “More than 11 million people are living in the shadows, without proper documentation.” Just past that is this: “Those immigrants already living in the United States, who are assets to their communities and contribute so much to our country, should be incorporated completely into our society through legal processes” and that we of course “will end raids and roundups of children and families” and that we “will not stand for the divisive and derogatory language of Donald Trump. His offensive comments about immigrants and other communities have no place in our society.” So there’s no place in our society for his _comments_ about illegals, but there’s a place in our society _for those illegals?_ They won’t be illegal anymore. Says so right in the quote, “through legal processes.” BTW, Trump is, in fact, offensive, divisive and derogatory. Not germane to this discussion, but I think we have to point it out every chance we get. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/236 "2017-10-24T15:46:33Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > They won’t be illegal anymore. Says so right in the quote, “through legal processes.” > > BTW, Trump is, in fact, offensive, divisive and derogatory. Not germane to this discussion, but I think we have to point it out every chance we get. So amnesty for whoever can sneak across the border? How is that not de facto open borders? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/237 "2017-10-24T15:53:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So amnesty for whoever can sneak across the border? How is that not de facto open borders? I’ll respond when you quote what was actually said, without reinterpreting into your own original statement. I know you have a prepared response for this statement of yours-good luck getting anyone to repeat it back to you. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/238 "2017-10-24T15:56:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Those that are already here and who contribute so much to our country should be brought in fully through legal processes? Sounds good to me. > Not tolerating the divisive and derogatory language of Donald Trump? Sounds good to me. I thought we were discussing _what they favored,_ not _whether it sounds good_. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/239 "2017-10-24T15:59:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So amnesty for whoever can sneak across the border? How is that not de facto open borders? Because we have borders, and we have people at the borders stopping other people from crossing. That’s not open boarders. Dealing with the people already here may be a good idea, or it may not be, but it’s not “open boarders.” ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/240 "2017-10-24T16:05:42Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > So amnesty for whoever can sneak across the border? How is that not de facto open borders? My personal feeling is that we shouldn’t take everyone who comes here, we should only take those who want to be here. Ask, “Why do you want to move to the US?” And if their answer is, “To make a better life for myself and my family.” Well, isn’t that exactly who we want? Isn’t that why all our ancestors came? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514.md?page=13)