# Does anyone else have a hard accepting republican voters are decent people lately? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [October 22, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514 "2017-10-22T01:06:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/141 "2017-10-23T18:49:59Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I keep hearing this, but I honestly don’t know where it comes from. Does anyone have an example of the Democratic Party embracing “identify politics” in a way that could _possibly_ be perceived as “anti- majority/white/male?” What’s their position on affirmative action? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/142 "2017-10-23T18:57:25Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Honestly it seems to have been a combination of Black Lives Matter, courting the Hispanic vote to the Dems and fighting hard for the Women’s vote. Not anti-white as much as White Male did not appear to matter. They \*\*\*seemed \*\*\*to have ceded the White Male vote to the Repubs. I thought Hillary got shit for _not_ embracing BLM? I don’t recall any prominent Democratic aligning with that movement. I’m also not sure how they “courted” the Hispanic vote any more than the Republicans do (Trump, of course, being the exception). I’m a white male, and I know a lot of other white males. We generally think Trump is an unqualified ass, and Clinton would have been “acceptable.” I would love to know why the Trump white male voters didn’t come to the same conclusion. It baffles me. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/143 "2017-10-23T18:58:32Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > What’s their position on affirmative action? Luke-warm support, from what I can tell. Hardly a priority. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/144 "2017-10-23T19:02:26Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I thought Hillary got shit for _not_ embracing BLM? I don’t recall any prominent Democratic aligning with that movement. I’m also not sure how they “courted” the Hispanic vote any more than the Republicans do (Trump, of course, being the exception). > > I’m a white male, and I know a lot of other white males. We generally think Trump is an unqualified ass, and Clinton would have been “acceptable.” I would love to know why the Trump white male voters didn’t come to the same conclusion. It baffles me. Not Hillary so much as the Dems in general on BLM. The Democratic planners and plotters kept talking about winning the Hispanic vote. etc. I’m trying to explain based on conversations I’ve heard with perfectly rational people who do not feel the Democratic party shares their concerns. How they bought into a reality TV star for President I still cannot figure out but again it was more about a disconnect to the Dems and a dislike/distrust of HRC. We all know there is a core of very bigoted and backwards voters, but while they helped win the Nomination for Trump it was the vaster middle that felt no reason to vote for HRC that got Trump elected in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/145 "2017-10-23T19:16:13Z")
Actually I have been thinking about this. We all know Hollywood LOVES the Democrats. They stump for them, slam their opponents whenever possible, raise money for them, campaign for them. Harvery Weinstein was in this. We see [pictures of him embracing Hillary](http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/GettyImages-51571158-e1508354122401.jpg) as well as [him and Bill](http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/171009104932-harvey-weinstein-bill-clinton-2000-large-169.jpg). Michelle [Obama praised him](https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/10/obama-weinstein.jpg?w=720&quality=85). They had no problems [taking his money for the past 20 years](http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-harvey-weinstein-donated-to-clinton-obama-2017-10). And the thing is, everyone knew the guy was a sleazebag. Democrats are now acting like they never knew and condemned him but just how in the hell if you are the president and you have hired staff who can find any dirt on anyone, that you did not know? Obama’s daughter even worked for the man. It is clear the democrats are tight with Hollywood, but is that about to backfire? Can the democrats even make it without Hollywood? Hollywood is quite frankly a moral sewer. And their tightness with Democrats to me, only makes them look bad too. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/146 "2017-10-23T19:28:10Z")
Weinstein is losing his business, his reputation and possibly his freedom after these accusations came out. Did people cover it up? Yes, and they should be held accountable for that. Trump was elected president after his accusations came out. How can you on the right try to claim the moral high ground? You guys elected Harvey weinstein president after the accusations came out. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/147 "2017-10-23T19:39:21Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > You guys elected Harvey weinstein president after the accusations came out. Please. What Trump said to Billy Bush may or may not have been true, but even if it was, his behavior wouldn’t be a patch on the stuff done by either Weinstein or Bill Clinton. Oh, hey, I just [saw something on Facebook](https://www.pride.com/sites/www.pride.com/files/2017/10/18/xochi-mochi-x750.jpg) that illustrates at least one element of what generated the Republican landslide in last year’s election. The fact that anyone in education would think this is a proper approach boggles. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/148 "2017-10-23T19:42:19Z")
Weinstein and people like him need to be brought out into the open. People who cover up for them should be held accountable. For the life of me I can’t fathom why a party that elects a remorseless sex offender to be president after he threatens to ruin thrives of his endless victims can turn around and pretend they care about morality or crime. I can’t figure it out. You guys really don’t get it. Nobody outside your bubble thinks you have a leg to stand on after you elected Trump. You don’t understand how much of your own credibility you’ve permanently destroyed by electing that monster. And did Bill Clinton do some stuff? Yes and he should be held accountable for it. Trump had dozens of victims. Those are just the ones who came forward. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/149 "2017-10-23T19:48:24Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m a white male, and I know a lot of other white males. We generally think Trump is an unqualified ass, and Clinton would have been “acceptable.” I would love to know why the Trump white male voters didn’t come to the same conclusion. It baffles me. These people voted, in Virginia voted for Trump in very large numbers. I live in another country but these images speak to me. They tell me these people have had no political representation, no regard, no respect, no democracy in their lives for a long time. They had no hope. Trump will also fail them of course. They look like victims of a capitalist apocalypse. All their lives they’ve been told they live in the greatest country in the world with the greatest everything, and now they stand in line twice a year for charity medical aid, like victims of a third world earthquake. This is 200 miles from DC: > **[Virginians visited by mobile clinic – in pictures](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2017/oct/10/virginia-remote-area-medical-mobile-clinic-in-pictures)** > > The Remote Area Medical’s clinic provides free dental, visual and general health services to hundreds of people in remote areas of the US ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/150 "2017-10-23T19:51:11Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Oh, hey, I just [saw something on Facebook](https://www.pride.com/sites/www.pride.com/files/2017/10/18/xochi-mochi-x750.jpg) that illustrates at least one element of what generated the Republican landslide in last year’s election. The fact that anyone in education would think this is a proper approach boggles. Shit, now you’ve lost me again. It’s _not_ okay to have a pet worm? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/151 "2017-10-23T19:56:17Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’m a white male, and I know a lot of other white males. We generally think Trump is an unqualified ass, and Clinton would have been “acceptable.” I would love to know why the Trump white male voters didn’t come to the same conclusion. It baffles me. Because 10% of the country are morons. Another 10% are racist morons. They happened to come together one day in November in support of a person whose platform sounds good to morons and racists. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/152 "2017-10-23T19:56:35Z")
538 did a study of whites and broke them into with a college degree and without a college degree. Even after controlling for income, college educated whites were about 30 points to the left of high school educated whites. Income under 30k, income over 100k, didn’t matter. Trump won because of racial and cultural issues. Economic issues divided the white working class and weren’t that important. Also it is important to note that the black and Latino working class didn’t vote Trump by huge margins. Only the white working class did. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/525771/](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/525771/) ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/153 "2017-10-23T20:29:15Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Also it is important to note that the black and Latino working class didn’t vote Trump by huge margins. Only the white working class did. Not hard to understand though is it. For decades, the owners of capital slowly strangled democracy until it died. For working and workless poor ‘draining the swamp’ was the only glimmer of hope. Trump represents many things but in capturing the white poor vote he attracted the truly desperate, the thoroughly disenfranchised. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/154 "2017-10-23T20:32:21Z")
Why is it that, for the most part, people that are members of “Party Of Personal Responsibility” on this message board will not take personal responsibility for the election of Trump? I see the blaming of the primary system, the Democratic Party, Mrs. Clinton and various other parties, and sometimes an occasional “I just stood back and let others vote him”…but not much “I voted for Trump out of enthusiasm for his platform and his record-He was the best candidate!” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/155 "2017-10-23T20:36:51Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Not hard to understand though is it. > > For decades, the owners of capital slowly strangled democracy until it died. For working and workless poor ‘draining the swamp’ was the only glimmer of hope. > > Trump represents many things but in capturing the white poor vote he attracted the truly desperate, the thoroughly disenfranchised. Are they “truly desperate” and “thoroughly disenfranchised?” They Trump voters I see on TV seem to be doing fine. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/156 "2017-10-23T20:36:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Why is it that, for the most part, people that are members of “Party Of Personal Responsibility” on this message board will not take personal responsibility for the election of Trump? I see the blaming of the primary system, the Democratic Party, Mrs. Clinton and various other parties, and sometimes an occasional “I just stood back and let others vote him”…but not much “I voted for Trump out of enthusiasm for his platform and his record-He was the best candidate!” Maybe they don’t feel responsible for the particular event of the election of Trump or the sequence of events that led to the conditions that made a Trump victory possible? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/157 "2017-10-23T20:44:01Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Maybe they don’t feel responsible for the particular event of the election of Trump or the sequence of events that led to the conditions that made a Trump victory possible? Do you know who else used to say “Now look what you made me do?” after flailing around madly and destroying whatever project he was on at the time? Oliver Hardy. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/158 "2017-10-23T20:46:24Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Trump represents many things but in capturing the white poor vote he attracted the truly desperate, the thoroughly disenfranchised. And how is that working out for them so far? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/159 "2017-10-23T20:51:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And how is that working out for them so far? Surprising exactly no one. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514/160 "2017-10-23T20:54:00Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Are they “truly desperate” and “thoroughly disenfranchised?” > > They Trump voters I see on TV seem to be doing fine. I gave my reply to you at #149 > [@Czarcasm](#): > > And how is that working out for them so far? Like it always has. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-else-have-a-hard-accepting-republican-voters-are-decent-people-lately/799514.md?page=9)