Do you apply that reasoning to literally anything else?
If I make it clear to folks that they’ll never get my permission to enter my house, should we find them blameless when they break in? If I patiently explain that nobody is allowed to borrow my possessions, should we find thieves blameless for stealing 'em? If I flatly refuse to consent to sex, should we find someone blameless for then resorting to rape because, hey, can’t do it legally, amirite?
People have listed them in many threads. A few sample reasons are the judiciary, concerns about globalization, swamp draining, etc. Now, whether or not those reasons are sufficient to convince you is irrelevant. Decent people have to make difficult trade offs all the time.
Weren’t allowed to because in a world of nations it’s not surprising each nation has immigration policy. Canada has even more space. Perhaps Canada should take in the whole world? Problem is Canada doesn’t want to either.
Seeing as I didn’t vote for Mr. Trump this isn’t about me. Furthermore, I thought his anti free trade policies were poorly thought out.
My concerns about globalization? I don’t like global trade combined with price floors on labor. It leads to several consequences that I think are worrisome from a pro strong US point of view.
The problem with your response is that it is a common fallacy on these boards. You assume that listing a potential motivation of a third party is an indication in any way of what the one listing the possible motivation of a third party actually believes.
I doubt you can give an explanation that will satisfy those that voted for Trump for this issue as their job prospects have deteriorated to something terrible.
Again, the illegals aren’t just taking farm jobs, they take the jobs that were once working poor also. Dishwasher & food service, landscaper, sheet rocker, painter, low end non-union construction, etc. How is it that a benefit? Or is it a benefit for some at the expense of many?
FTR, I have friends that just barely get by that did indeed vote for Trump. The illegal immigration issue was a big one for them. Sad to, as the Dems use to be the champions of the poor and somehow Trump hoodwinked them into thinking he would actually help. Some admit they didn’t think he would likely help but thought HRC would do even less as she didn’t care about them.
Me, I’m fairly well off and a die-hard Green so voting for Trump would have been like shooting myself in the face. Not to mention what a skeevy, nasty, cheating contractors, draft dodging piece of work he is.
Well, to be fair, given our lack of healthcare, laughable minimum wage, 30+ years of stagnant wages, increasing income inequality leading to a 50% poverty rate, and pitiful excuse for a social safety net, they’d probably be a lot better off in Canada. You’re a true humanitarian.
But again, there are a few issues that come up with this argument.
Education was a bigger predictor of Trump support than income. When you control for income, college graduates were 30+ points to the left of high school graduates among white people. It didn’t matter if household income was <30k, or 100k+.
Only white people voted for Trump. Blacks gave him 8%, Latinos gave him 28% of the vote. Whites gave him 57%. Black women without a college diploma face economic insecurity and face competition from illegal immigrants. I think they gave Trump 4% of their vote.
Investigations have found that economics wasn’t a factor, it was cultural.
The narrative that people are putting forth goes like this
Thats the narrative, but the reality looks more like this
Education and race, not income, were major determinants of Trump support.
Having said that, I can see where your friends are coming from if they thought Trump would create a mass deportation squad and build a wall. Doing that would create more job openings for working class whites and drive up wages for them. So I don’t know how studies divided the cultural aspects of mass latino deportation with the economic aspects of mass latino deportation.
Of course i can’t give an explanation that will satisfy people who are not swayed by facts, so why should i bother. There are plenty of studies that show illegal immigrants are a net benefit to society, if i thought there was any chance in hell that any of them would convince someone who thought otherwise i might bother doing the homework for you. My belief that immigrants are a net benefit to society and we would be foolish to get rid of them is backed by facts, their belief that immigrants are a negative is backed up by “gut feeling” that is surely in no way fueled by racism.
Well, here I am in my house right now, in no actual need of CPR – which is why, if a guy were to ask whether he could come in to give me CPR, I’d reply, “no, that’s not needed; you’re not needed; you’re not wanted; get off my property.”
And if he broke in – while, er, claiming that he wanted to give me CPR – then at a minimum I figure I’d helpfully explain that he’s in error and should leave, and at the other end of that spectrum I figure I’d wind up resorting to lethal force. And, yeah, somewhere in between those is, uh, “throw them in jail”.
Now, granted, if the day comes when I’m in need of CPR, that’ll be a different story. But this isn’t some contrived scenario where you can’t ask me; you can ask me, and I’m saying “no, thanks.” I’m replying with a cheery “hey, maybe you have me confused with someone who does need CPR; do you have the wrong address?”
I’m not going to try because it has been tried, plenty of times. You could easily find your answers with a cursory search of this very forums. Providing facts does not change minds.