Does anyone else NOT like Harry Potter?

So, it has come to this.

I remember it like it was just a few days ago: rashly, with no thought for the possible consequences, I posted a few remarks to this thread regarding my dissatisfaction after having read the first four books of the Harry Potter series.

Faint yet clear the replies came back to me, like the dim echoes from a tomb: “It’s all explained in book five;” “She addresses that point in Book Five;” “Book Five will make everything clear.”

And I smiled, secure in my faith that I would never have to concern myself with these trifles, that wild horses could not drag me back to that accursed series.

Yet less than a week later, as I wandered the stacks of the public library, I turned a fateful corner, my gaze chanced to stray across the Reshelving stacks, and there it was…waiting for me, its dust jacket seeming to grin as it gloated, “Don’t try to run. In your heart you know that there can be no escape.”

I would have cursed it, but that would have been insane, and it is unseemly to argue with inanimate objects in public. Instead, to demonstrate my lack of fear and to prove that I am a free-willed entity, I checked it out of the library and brought it home with me.

And here I sit, staring at this vile shoebox of a novel, which looks as long as the last volume if not more so, and remembering how that last book dragged on and on into infinity until at last it made me hate life and pray for the vengeful god of the Israelites to cleanse the earth with the fire of his wrath. What dark force drove me to touch the next book in the series? How did I get to this point? In the name of God, what am I doing?

Now at last I understand what Richard Dawkins meant when he spoke of the power of the ‘meme.’ This isn’t a series of books, it’s a mind virus. And you, each and every one of you are carriers, dripping with infection. You are all tainted! Do you see what you’ve done to me?

I hope you’re all happy now.

Bellatrix tortured the Longbottoms into the mindless, childlike state they are in now. For no obvous reason, other than they were Aurors.

I see. Thank you.

Actually, it was both the Lastrange’s and Barty Crouch Jr. that tortured the Longbottoms after Voldy’d first defeat. They were looking for him and thought the Aurors knew where he was. Plus, Bella is completely nuts and just likes doing that kind of thing.

Heh. I hear ya. I didn’t pick up a single book until after 5 was out in paperback and that’s because I bought them all to read them with my 11 year old. I just didn’t see what the big deal was even after seeing the movies, which I didn find mildly enteraining for what they were (plus, you know, Alan Rickman!). Now I want JKR to get off her ass and get 6 out so I can find out what’s so important about Harry having his mother’s eyes and who the hell the Half-Blood Prince is.

I hate unanswered questions.

As a Zelazny fan, you should be ashamed of yourself. You know there’s better stuff out there.

And I read it. But, ya know, Alan Rickman…

Don’t let anyone else make you feel bad for not liking it. I don’t mind it on its own, but I hate the constant hype about it. If something is hugely popular and hyped to death it just makes me hate it, which is a shame if it was something I might otherwise enjoy. But I can’t stand the whole idea of, “Everyone on Earth likes X, if you don’t like X that means there’s something wrong with you.” What a crock of crap. And then in a few years when it’s completely gone out of style and been forgotten, anyone left who likes it will be branded uncool and a loser. Well, better to go outside the norm than to spend your life as a sheep, I say.

Great comment, Amazon F. G.
I kind of liked Titanic, but then the hype machine kicked in and I got sick of it. Same for Harry Potter. (As I noted in earlier post, I enjoyed book one of HP but found the rest unreadable - I tried, but they’re so boring and repetitous).

I’m saying this as someone who has enjoyed reading the Harry Potter books, but…I thought adults who read children’s fantasy novels were already branded as uncool losers.

Me too! Le Guin is a fantastic writer. I’ve been looking forward to seeing the Earthsea series on Sci Fi ever since I first heard about the mini-series.

As for Harry Potter, I haven’t really given it a chance. By the time I’d heard of it, the hype machine was going full steam. I usually avoid anything that everyone is reading and/or raving about - the DaVinci Code being another example. Maybe once it all quiets down a little I’ll grab the first book.

Like them, agree that they aren’t great literature.

BTW, my book club read the first HP book and Lion Witch and the Warddrobe back to back. With, I think Susan Cooper’s Dark books (or Earthsea or maybe Lloyd Alexander, can’t remember now). We all came in sceptical - “Rowling is a hack!” “Writes deriviate crap” We were all shocked. She can write. And writes well. You may not like her style (and she isn’t Margaret Atwood of Michael Chabon) but we though she was heads above C.S. Lewis - much more readable. And we finally admitted that a lot of our preconception was misremembering our own childhood literature and some sour grapes that we didn’t make a billion dollars writing deriviative crap.

There are things that drive me nuts. If one more Slytherin bad guy is described as brainless and brawny, I’ll loose it. Could we have made Hufflepuff’s friendly and charsmatic instead of “the rest.” Is Dumbledore omniscient, or just stupid?

I just wanted to share something similar: When the hoopla about this amazing series that got non-readers reading, I grabbed the first book and read it through. I was unimpressed. It was an okay kid’s book, but it wasn’t for me. Then, a few years later, on a total whim, I read the second one and began, if you’ll pardon the expression, to see the magic.

My thinking on this is that the first book is an introduction to this universe and has no real plot elements, except one or two thrown together at the last second. But once I got my hands on the story arc, I haven’t let go.

Did you spot the couple making out in the closet? :slight_smile:

I love the Harry Potter books, but I am also deeply disappointed in them. I love the setting. I love all the little details and the magical places. I love the smaller characters and I love the routine of school. But I hate how Harry is yet, in nearly endless pages, given me a reason to like him much. I hate how forced and uniteresting the plot can get. I hate how easily things get resolved. I hate quiddich, and I hate the wish fulfillment fantasy aspect of things.

Really enjoying this thread. Hate Harry Potter with a passion.

I agree with was has been said about bad writing and lack of depth in characters. There’s just no shades of grey anywhere and the whole thing is terrifically boring.

I also really dislike this twee old-fashioned boarding school version of England although I think this nostalgic view actually does wonders for the sales.

If it’s poor man’s anything, it’s the poor man’s (or kid’s) Diana Wynne Jones. Who’s great. Go read her books.

Lose.[/nitpick] Unless you were referring to your wrath? :wink:

It’s always bothered me that there doesn’t seem to be any such thing as a half-decent Slytherin. As the series progresses, we see that not all Gryffindors think that Harry’s all that and a bag of chips (fifth book, Seamus? I forget). Why don’t we ever see any variety in the Slytherin house? Heck, even Draco is pretty two-dimensional (does he ever do anything but smirk?). Hopefully that’ll change once he sees what those on Voldemort’s side are really capable of, but I’m not getting my hopes up.

While I find the world and its minutiae interesting (not enough to buy the extra books, mind), Harry himself is a rather irritating protagonist. Not only do I find his personality extremely hard to pin down, he’s constantly becoming more and more… special. He’s The Boy Who Lived. He’s a Parselmouth. He pulled Godric’s sword from the Sorting Hat. Not only do his and Voldemort’s wands share cores, but that core comes from Dumbledore’s own phoenix. He’s The Chosen One. And… HE CAN FLY! Okay, so he needs a broomstick for that, but he’s still starting to remind me of Lestat. :smiley:

The books aren’t all that good but I still read them anyway (and will read the next two even if they’re both longer than War And Peace) because I can relax, turn my mind off for a few hours, and not come to with image and words from the book ringing in my mind. They’re disposable, and that’s something I sometimes look for in a book.

Just a few random things to finish… Is it just me and my preferences and my love of writing in WordPad, or are her paragraphs really, really short? And why oh why does Rowling not give Harry the maturity to realise that Snape is one of the people who continually pulls his fat out of the fire? Yeah, so Snape isn’t a nice person. Get over it, Harry. And it also pees me off that Harry doesn’t feel even a little bit bad for sticking his nose into memories that Snape quite specifically didn’t want him to see. I don’t know whether that utter lack of concern was intentional, but that scene doesn’t portray Harry as a particularly sympathetic character.

I hate to reopen that can of worms, but the only problem I see there is that comma. Even if we ignore that he’s making snake noises, I can’t think of any other adverb(?) in the English language that describes the harsh low whisper of that particular manner of speaking.

I’ve read all of them so far, but I’m not that impressed. I don’t actively hate them, but I wouldn’t recommend them very highly either. Prisoner of Azkaban was the best of them so far because things actually happened, it was dark and serious enough in tone that some characters had a chance to develop a bit, and there were actual consequences. All of her later stuff needs an editor who’s not afraid to use an axe. A chainsaw might be preferred.

There are a few things I can think of right now that bug me about the books.

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[li]Unnecessarily verbose. Reminds me of Dickens without his redeeming qualities.[/li][li]Disgustingly passive characters. Nobody actually does anything! Makes me want to strangle someone. Which links to:[/li][li]Cannot write male characters convincingly. Her males are reactive, not active. They don’t get into trouble so much as screw things up. Boys are trouble-makers, not dolts. None of her boys do risky things that almost get them killed except when they are mixed up in some “trouble” with He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named. I and all of my male friends did stupid stuff on a regular basis that resulted in injury, like jumping off roofs to see if we could. And we didn’t have the benefit of a bone-regrowth spell. Real boys do that kind of stuff, hers don’t.[/li][li]Does not portray any normal developments of actual human children. Harry is something like twelve by the second book. He might be a late developer, he might be troubled, he might not have any free time, but by book four any male with normally-descended testicles would be obsessed with sex/girls/self-loathing/insecurity/longing/horror. I remember having a crush when I was 11 or 12, wanting the girl so badly that I cried until my eyes ached, wondering whether it always hurt this much when you fell in love, afraid that I was going insane. The onset of puberty sucks. Even leaving sex out of it, none of her characters have normal emotional problems or reactions.[/li][li]Gives a very mixed message on abuse. What’s up with the Dursleys? If a real family treated Harry like the Dursleys do, they’d probably be brought up on charges of neglect or child abuse. His living space is marginal, but nothing compared to being half starved, ridiculed constantly, threatened with physical violence, being blamed for things beyond his control, etc. Yet Harry is not only forced to live with them, he is basically told that he has no way to fix the situation. Wizarding adults know how bad the emotional and physical abuse is and they do nothing to correct it. Even worse, he is discouraged from doing anything at all about it on his own.[/li][/ol]

In comparison with other children’s or YA literature, these books are pretty low on the totem pole. There are several other authors who do a great job with original, not derivative, material. In addition to classic authors like L’engle, Lewis, Le Guin, and Alexander, even a relatively unknown Diane Duane did a better-written (and more original) take on the hidden world of wizards within our own with her series, starting with “So, You Want to be a Wizard.”

Reading that, I was thinking, “Unlike, say, Diane Duane’s characters.” Then I saw your last paragraph!

Well, Harry does have a crush, which comes to nothing. But that ties in with your charge of passivity. I’ve railed in other posts about how, once he gets Cho’s attention, he promptly starts ignoring her. Makes no sense!

I don’t know if you’re a guy or a gal, but there is one example of a normal development in book 3, at least as I interpret it. Hermione is very cranky and short-tempered. Partly, of course, because of her time-turner enabled schedule overload, but also because this is very probably her first year of getting a period!

It is generally opined that JKR was aping Roald Dahl in the first book. Other, later elements ended up not being so over the top, but she established them that way, so now she’s stuck.