# Does anyone even LIKE Dick Cheney? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 2, 2006, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955 "2006-08-02T00:01:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/141 "2006-08-07T19:06:04Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] I’m afraid you’ve become so foam-flecked with frustration and anger that you’ve lost all perspective, **Miller**. [/QUOTE] Well, maybe he’s just bored with you cramming words down his throat. Post #131: > [@Miller](#): > > Wow, that would be a really stupid plan, since all Starving Artist would have to do to shut me down would be to post the requested cite. And since the claim is so obvious, it should have been easy for him to provide a cite. Easier than all this dodging and weaving he’s been practicing so far, at any rate. > > And no, I did not “know perfectly well” that such cites existed. I assumed they did, but an assumption is not the same as actual knowledge (a distinction SA should take to heart) His total inability to provide any sort of substance for his claims has made me re-evaluate that assumption. post #132 > [@Starving Artist](#): > > When people like mhendo and Miller challenge me to provide cites, they are really just looking for fresh material to split hairs with. The last thing they are looking for is an honest and accurate appraisal of the issue at hand **(as Miller has admitted in this very thread by virtue of his demanding cites for information that he acknowledges exists in plentitude to begin with)**. As I said before, I’ve been there and done that and I have chosen not to play their game. Miller said no such thing. He said he suspected they existed, but he wanted to know which posts you referred to. You referred to mine. And considering the fact that I gave a very lucid explanation as to my calling Dick Cheney evil, I can only assume you were mistaken when you used it as an example. You’ve been very entertaining, but why not just come up with a cite that actually defends your position? Then we’ll stop trying to “outlast” you and pointing out the dreadfully boring fact that you’re a liar. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/142 "2006-08-07T19:06:42Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] This is rich! Given that you’ve put this silly exaggeration in quotes, I’m sure you can come up with a cite to prove it. [/quote] Easily: > [@Starving Artist](#): > > This is what I based my ‘consensus’ on: the fact that in a thread (largely) full of Cheney-bashers (many of whom I felt at the time had at one time or another accused him of being mean), no one could come up with any concrete instances to illustrate this so-called meanness. It was a sort of ‘silent’ or ‘back-door’ consensus don’t you see, based on the fact that no one in the thread could support the contention of Cheney’s alleged meanness. Sort of like if you had a roomful of people and asked them “What is the purpose of life?” and no one could come up with an answer. In that case I would say that the consensus among those in the room was that the question was unanswerable. Now, I’m sure you’ve got a bucket of weasel words to explain why the plain meaning of what you said in the above paragraph is not the plain meaning of what you said in the above paragraph. I anticpate your dissembling with great interest. > [@](#): > > Or are you really just engaging in a perfectly understandable type of throw-away comment intended to illustrate what you view as my POV… you know, exactly the same kind of thing that you’ve been assailing me for these last few days? 😃 Nope. See, what I did up there was accurately reflect exactly what you’ve said in this thread. What you did back when this whole thing got started was deliberately lie about the contents of other people’s posts. > [@](#): > > You’re hoist on your own petard yet again, **Miller**. Again? > [@](#): > > Perhaps the thread would have gone to sleep by now, given the weak, boring and impotent comment by **Maureen** that preceded yours. But no, you take what I would call a childish pride in attempting to “outlast” me (as you’ve admitted before)…thus you keep reviving it. Right. Like you’re not playing exactly the same endurance game. You keep bitching about how disinterested you are in this argument, and how it’s a waste of time, but you keep posting to it none the less. What’s up with that? > [@](#): > > I have no problem with cites that are factual and that put an issue to rest once and for all. They tend to be easy to find for one thing, and they aren’t open to interpretation and semantic hair-splitting. Well, we know this isn’t true, because if it were, you’d have conceded this whole argument back on page one. > [@](#): > > Cite? > > 😃 > > I see you’ve been to the **'hendo** school of putting words in my mouth. I called it an acknowledgement. Surely one who would quibble over the semantic difference between ‘mean’ and ‘evil’ can make the distinction between apology and acknowledgement. You’re right, you said acknowledgement, not apology. My bad. It was still a piss-poor acknowledgement, though. “Finer details?” Which “finer details” were you admitting you were wrong about? All of them? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/143 "2006-08-07T19:21:52Z")
[QUOTE=Maureen] And considering the fact that I gave a very lucid explanation as to my calling Dick Cheney evil… [/QUOTE] Yes, about as lucid as when you claimed my penis climbs up into my abdomen. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/144 "2006-08-07T19:24:31Z")
**SA** , please, the shovel is worn to a nubbin. Please stop digging. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/145 "2006-08-07T19:28:56Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] Yes, about as lucid as when you claimed my penis climbs up into my abdomen. [/QUOTE] Might this explain the mystery of the gender of Ann of Green Goebbels? ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/146 "2006-08-07T20:07:25Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] Yes, about as lucid as when you claimed my penis climbs up into my abdomen. [/QUOTE] You’re right, how silly of me. All things being equal, “abdominal cavity” is probably an optimistic estimate. Perineum would probably be more accurate. I don’t blame you for preferring to talk about your penile shortcomings (heh, a pun) rather than your blatant lies. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/147 "2006-08-07T20:13:42Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Easily: [/quote] Hah! [QUOTE=Miller] Now, I’m sure you’ve got a bucket of weasel words to explain why the plain meaning of what you said in the above paragraph is not the plain meaning of what you said in the above paragraph. I anticpate your dissembling with great interest. [/quote] Okay, bucko! How’s this for dissembling?: I see nowhere in the paragraph you posted the following statement that you attributed to me through the use of quote marks: “The fact that no one answered me proves there was no answer!” Further, allow me to introduce you to the difference between ‘proof’ and ‘consensus’, courtesy of Merriam-Webster: Proof: 1 a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact Consensus: 1 a : general agreement Note that nowhere did I allege that the ‘fact’ that no one answered me ‘proves’ there was no answer! Nope. You ‘paraphrased’ what you took to be my position; a paraphrase that is factually inaccurate both as a quote and as a statement of my opinion. The _exact_ same things that you’ve been accusing me of. 😃 [QUOTE=Miller] Nope. See, what I did up there was accurately reflect exactly what you’ve said in this thread. [/quote] I’m quite sorry, but you did nothing of the kind. [QUOTE=Miller] What you did back when this whole thing got started was deliberately lie about the contents of other people’s posts. [/quote] Factual cite for my ‘lying’? (I will give you that had I lied in point of fact, it would of necessity have to have been deliberate.) :rolleyes: [QUOTE=Miller] Right. Like you’re not playing exactly the same endurance game. You keep bitching about how disinterested you are in this argument, and how it’s a waste of time… [/quote] Sorry, but to quote Ronald Reagan: “There you go again!”…putting words in my mouth, that is. I never said I was disinterested in the argument; I said I didn’t want to waste my time drudging up so-called ‘cites’ that prove nothing and only lead to further obfuscation. The thread itself I find to be entertaining, and it gives my mind something to chew on; slogging through endless posts containing the search terms ‘Cheney’ and ‘mean’ would be boring, tedious and futile. [QUOTE=Miller] You’re right, you said acknowledgement, not apology. My bad. [/quote] Very gracious of you. Now, how about acknowledging the many misstatements of what I said the and the malicious and erroneous accusations of my lying that have peppered your posts to this thread? [QUOTE=Miller] It was still a piss-poor acknowledgement, though. “Finer details?” Which “finer details” were you admitting you were wrong about? All of them? [/QUOTE] Pretty much. 😃 It’s the big-picture content of the thread that I ‘accurately reflected’ you see, both in the POV I attributed to it and the challenge regarding Cheney’s meanness. You know, a big-picture statement for which there is no specific quote…just like yours above? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/148 "2006-08-07T20:21:42Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Might this explain the mystery of the gender of Ann of Green Goebbels? [/QUOTE] Ah, **luci** …I just gotta love ya. (I know you don’t like me and you hate when I say things like that…but what can I say? If you don’t like it, stop being so damn funny!) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/149 "2006-08-07T21:35:45Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] Hah! Okay, bucko! How’s this for dissembling?: I see nowhere in the paragraph you posted the following statement that you attributed to me through the use of quote marks: “The fact that no one answered me proves there was no answer!” Further, allow me to introduce you to the difference between ‘proof’ and ‘consensus’, courtesy of Merriam-Webster: Proof: 1 a : the cogency of evidence that compels acceptance by the mind of a truth or a fact Consensus: 1 a : general agreement Note that nowhere did I allege that the ‘fact’ that no one answered me ‘proves’ there was no answer! Nope. You ‘paraphrased’ what you took to be my position; a paraphrase that is factually inaccurate both as a quote and as a statement of my opinion. The _exact_ same things that you’ve been accusing me of. 😃 [/quote] Okay, that’s not what you said. My paraphrase was inaccurate. I should have included the whole text of your staggeringly dumb argument instead of trying to distill it. Because what you actually said is so much stupider than what I paraphrased, it makes my original point that much stronger. Please redact that post so that, instead of reading, > [@yours truly](#): > > Your “paraphrase” was 100% counterfactual to what actually happened in that thread. And if you’d just admitted that from the outset, this hijack would never have happened. Instead, we got ludicrous statements like, “The fact that no one answered me proves there was no answer!” it reads: > [@yours truly](#): > > Your “paraphrase” was 100% counterfactual to what actually happened in that thread. And if you’d just admitted that from the outset, this hijack would never have happened. Instead, we got ludicrous statements like, “This is what I based my ‘consensus’ on: the fact that in a thread (largely) full of Cheney-bashers (many of whom I felt at the time had at one time or another accused him of being mean), no one could come up with any concrete instances to illustrate this so-called meanness. It was a sort of ‘silent’ or ‘back-door’ consensus don’t you see, based on the fact that no one in the thread could support the contention of Cheney’s alleged meanness. Sort of like if you had a roomful of people and asked them “What is the purpose of life?” and no one could come up with an answer. In that case I would say that the consensus among those in the room was that the question was unanswerable.” This alteration does not materially effect the substance of my accusation. > [@](#): > > I’m quite sorry, but you did nothing of the kind. > > Factual cite for my ‘lying’? Your post is my cite. > [@](#): > > Sorry, but to quote Ronald Reagan: “There you go again!”…putting words in my mouth, that is. I never said I was disinterested in the argument; I said I didn’t want to waste my time drudging up so-called ‘cites’ that prove nothing and only lead to further obfuscation. The thread itself I find to be entertaining, and it gives my mind something to chew on; slogging through endless posts containing the search terms ‘Cheney’ and ‘mean’ would be boring, tedious and futile. Sorry, you’re right again: what you are not interested in is arguing _fairly_. You want to be able to make baseless assertations and get away with it. Your distinction has been noted. In that spirit, I submit that all conservatives are inherently dishonest, racist, and enthusiasts of the sport of kitten-stomping. No, I don’t have any cites to prove it. It’s obvious, and everyone already knows it anyway, so I’m not going to bother. > [@](#): > > Very gracious of you. Now, how about acknowledging the many misstatements of what I said the and the malicious and erroneous accusations of my lying that have peppered your posts to this thread? Nope, not going to happen. You have been shown, repeatedly, to be lying through your teeth in this thread. I’m not going to back down from that for anything short of a full apology for your dishonesty. > [@](#): > > Pretty much. 😃 It’s the big-picture content of the thread that I ‘accurately reflected’ you see, both in the POV I attributed to it and the challenge regarding Cheney’s meanness. No, you did not. The “big picture” you tried to paint using that thread was contradicted on every single point by the actual contents of that thread, and your insistence otherwise constitutes a continued dishonesty on your behalf. Or, in fairness, you could simply be really, really dumb, but that level of stupidity seems incompatible with the ability to read and write, so I’m going to stick with “liar” until it’s shown that you’ve got somebody reading this thread to you and transcribing your replies. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/150 "2006-08-07T21:37:08Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] It’s the big-picture content of the thread that I ‘accurately reflected’ you see, both in the POV I attributed to it and the challenge regarding Cheney’s meanness. You know, a big-picture statement for which there is no specific quote…just like yours above? [/QUOTE] But, in your case, not only could you not track down relevant quotations, but your summary of the thread was actually a complete misrepresentation of what the thread actually contained. I have nothing against summaries or abstracts or big-picture statements that give an accurate reflection of what they purport to describe. But such statements must bear some resemblance to reality, they must give an honest account of the subject they claim to address, or else the person making them loses all credibility. And that is exactly why you fail so miserably. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/151 "2006-08-07T22:48:42Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] Okay, that’s not what you said. My paraphrase was inaccurate. [/quote] As was the quote in which it was couched…an even more deliberate and egregious error than that of which I’ve been accused. [QUOTE=Miller] I should have included the whole text of your staggeringly dumb argument instead of trying to distill it. Because what you actually said is so much stupider than what I paraphrased, it makes my original point that much stronger. [/quote] I see. So now in your attempt to dance about and avoid culpability for the fact that you’ve been totally tripped up by engaging in the very same type of behavior that you’ve been criticizing me for, you now set the bar so that what you regard as ‘stupid’ behavior on the part of another poster is sufficient to make your inaccurate ‘paraphrase’ stronger and more permissable? In that case, **Maureen’s** overwhelming stupidity…both in the thread I linked to and in her posts here…makes my paraphrase that much stronger and more permissable. 😃 [QUOTE=Miller] This alteration does not materially effect the substance of my accusation. [/quote] Only in the sense that I never said “The fact that no one answered me proves there was no answer!” which you attributed to me with quote marks, no less. [QUOTE=Miller] Your post is my cite. [/quote] How so? Just what is there in my post to provide conclusive and incontrovertible evidence as to my deliberate intent to deceive as opposed to, let’s say…hasty and inaccurate recollection? Come on, now…play by your own rules. (And you don’t even have to go digging for cites; everything you should need is right here in this thread.) [QUOTE=Miller] Sorry, you’re right again. [/quote] Aren’t you beginning to feel the least little bit embarrassed at having to keep repeating this admission? Time and again you misstate what I’ve said; time and again you acknowledge that you’ve done so; and time and again you turn right around and do it again. [QUOTE=Miller] In that spirit, I submit that all conservatives are inherently dishonest, racist, and enthusiasts of the sport of kitten-stomping. No, I don’t have any cites to prove it. It’s obvious, and everyone already knows it anyway, so I’m not going to bother. [/quote] Well, despite the **Maureenness** of this assertion, I’m nowhere near as quick as you are to demand cites to prove what I already know to begin with. Thus, given the fact that I know better, I would be content to let it drop. [QUOTE=Miller] Nope, not going to happen. You have been shown, repeatedly, to be lying through your teeth in this thread. [/quote] Another blatantly dishonest and unsubstantiated accusation. If I’ve shown it, and you’re such a paragon of intellectually and moral honesty as you’ve intimated by your assertions as to how I should honestly debate around here, cough up proof! It is my contention that you have shown dishonesty in this thread several orders of magnitude beyond anything you could show on my part. In fact, I’m content that you cannot show any type of lie (or am I gonna have to go to Merriam-Webster to let you know what this means, too?) whatsoever on my part. [QUOTE=Miller] I’m not going to back down from that for anything short of a full apology for your dishonesty. [/quote] You’re going to be waiting a long time for that, bub! [QUOTE=Miller] No, you did not. The “big picture” you tried to paint using that thread was contradicted on every single point by the actual contents of that thread [/QUOTE] As was your quote of my alleged comments in regard to that thread. I see you’ve elected the “it’s OK when I do it - but not for you” defense elucidated previously and with prescience by **Shodan**. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/152 "2006-08-07T23:20:55Z")
And now we come to the point we arrive at in some of these threads where even I begin to think I may be overdoing it, so I’m gonna bail. You can have the last word if it’s that important to you, **Miller**. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/153 "2006-08-07T23:37:15Z")
[QUOTE=Maureen] Nah, you don’t make the list. You actually show glimmers of humor on occasion, and a sense of humor constitutes intelligence. I still hold out hope for you, **duffer** 😉 [/QUOTE] I sat down and logged on with a tremendous feeling of trepidation tonight. I felt something wrong was in the air. I almost had myself convinced the feeling was due to a bad day at work. Then I read your post. Goddamn post that you submitted. You just couldn’t give me 24 hours of the glorious fantasy of being a part of an SDMB List[sup]TM[/sup]. You had to just come in here and shit all over my little dream, didn’t you? Do you have any idea how much of my spirit, my soul you have dismantled and crushed? No, of course you don’t. Because you don’t care. I hate you and hope you burn in Hell. I’m going to kick a puppy now. Or water the garden. Or something. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/154 "2006-08-07T23:43:53Z")
You’re on the list of those who were almost on a list. _Dirac Angustan Gesept!_ **Duffer** was on the list! The list is long! (Ten 'luci points for first to catch sci-fi reference…) ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2006, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/155 "2006-08-07T23:54:43Z")
[QUOTE=duffer] You just couldn’t give me 24 hours of the glorious fantasy of being a part of an SDMB List[sup]TM[/sup]. You had to just come in here and shit all over my little dream, didn’t you? Do you have any idea how much of my spirit, my soul you have dismantled and crushed? No, of course you don’t. Because you don’t care. I hate you and hope you burn in Hell. [/quote] Awww, now I know that’s not true. But if it makes it any better, you’re on a short list of “Conservative posters I find charming and witty, even if their politics do make me want to occasionally throttle them til they admit Clinton wasn’t really that bad.” along with **Silenus** and **Sam Stone** and **John Carter of Mars**. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/156 "2006-08-08T00:00:39Z")
What happened in the thread of contention is what should have happened in this thread - most everyone ignored **Starving Artist**. I strongly recommend such a course in the future. The guy is just a huge fucking moron. I mean an absolute tool. He has never once demonstrated an ounce of either intellect or integrity. So he made a claim and most people treated it like a fart at the ladies club luncheon. He doesn’t think this proves his claim - he already believed that his claim was proven. It doesn’t matter what anyone might have said otherwise. Just like this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/157 "2006-08-08T00:26:20Z")
[QUOTE=Starving Artist] And now we come to the point we arrive at in some of these threads where even I begin to think I may be overdoing it, so I’m gonna bail. You can have the last word if it’s that important to you, **Miller**. [/QUOTE] Word. > [@duffer](#): > > You just couldn’t give me 24 hours of the glorious fantasy of being a part of an SDMB ListTM. You had to just come in here and shit all over my little dream, didn’t you? Do you have any idea how much of my spirit, my soul you have dismantled and crushed? No, of course you don’t. Because you don’t care. I hate you and hope you burn in Hell. If it makes you feel any better, you’re still on the list of people who use the word “irregardless.” It’s a much, much worse list to be on, believe me. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/158 "2006-08-08T01:03:33Z")
[QUOTE=Maureen] Awww, now I know that’s not true. But if it makes it any better, you’re on a short list of “Conservative posters I find charming and witty, even if their politics do make me want to occasionally throttle them til they admit Clinton wasn’t really that bad.” along with **Silenus** and **Sam Stone** and **John Carter of Mars**. [/QUOTE] Aw, I can’t stay mad at you. With my job there really isn’t much left of either spirit or soul. They’ve drained that shit of those. (But I gotta warn you, thre’s a pissed off puppy looking for your ass.) If I can be serious for a moment, I don’t think Clinton was anywhere near a disaster as President. I’ll bring him up now and again when I let the training the Dems taught me during his terms to kick in, but it’s mostly tongue-in-cheek. He seems a decent guy, if you’re not hardcore into morality in all aspects, and I’ve never really felt any animosity towards him. Despite what obscure quote will inevitably be brought up. I’d love to party with him for a week. > [@Miller](#): > > If it makes you feel any better, you’re still on the list of people who use the word “irregardless.” It’s a much, much worse list to be on, believe me. Yeah, but me being on a list makes the list both better and worse. Wrap your head around that one. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/159 "2006-08-08T01:27:18Z")
[QUOTE=duffer] Despite what obscure quote will inevitably be brought up. I’d love to party with him for a week. [/QUOTE] well, duh -he’d bring the babes & the grass 😉 ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2006, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955/160 "2006-08-08T03:00:56Z")
[QUOTE=duffer] You just couldn’t give me 24 hours of the glorious fantasy of being a part of an SDMB List[sup]TM[/sup]. You had to just come in here and shit all over my little dream, didn’t you? [/QUOTE] Would it help if I told you you’re on my list of Dopers whom I like despite their talent for spouting arrant nonsense? 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-even-like-dick-cheney/366955.md?page=7)