# Does anyone know of any 2021 scientific rebuttal to the nonsense peddled about Hitler's supposed Jewish ancestry ancestry? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 29, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043 "2021-04-29T16:05:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Octagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/2acd7d/32.png) [@Octagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octagon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/1 "2021-04-29T16:05:15Z")
Does anyone know of any 2021 scientific rebuttal to the nonsense peddled about Hitler’s supposed Jewish ancestry ancestry ? I see more and more nonsense about Hitler’s supposed Jewish ancestry online . No quality newspaper or academic/scholarly book I know of supports the claim. I’m interested in any good recent scientific rebuttal to this drivel. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/2 "2021-04-29T16:07:12Z")
. No. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/3 "2021-04-29T16:10:10Z")
How do you know it is nonsense? Here’s an excerpt from an article: [Study Suggests Adolf Hitler Had Jewish and African Ancestors](https://www.history.com/news/study-suggests-adolf-hitler-had-jewish-and-african-ancestors) “Writing in the Flemish-language magazine Knack, Mulders reported that the relatives’ most dominant haplogroup, known as E1b1b, is rare in Western Europeans but common among North Africans, and particularly the Berber tribes of Morocco, Algeria, Libya and Tunisia. It is also one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population, present in 18 to 20 percent of Ashkenazi Jews and 8.6 to 30 percent of Sephardic Jews. In other words, Hitler’s family tree may have included Jewish and African ancestors.” I have no idea if it’s true but it doesn’t sound ridiculous. A lot of people have a lot of diverse ancestors in just the past few hundred years, and of course everyone does going back far enough. Is there some reason this matters to you? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/4 "2021-04-29T16:12:22Z")
> [@Octagon](#): > > I see more and more nonsense about Hitler’s supposed Jewish ancestry online . Do you have examples to show us? This might help us try to find what specifically needs to be rebutted. ---
**Author:** ![Octagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/2acd7d/32.png) [@Octagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octagon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/5 "2021-04-29T16:17:27Z")
Look at your source! [history.com](http://history.com).! really? Any NYTimes articles? washington post articles? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/6 "2021-04-29T16:19:13Z")
> [@Octagon](#): > > Look at your source! [history.com](http://history.com).! O.K., I looked at it. Which parts were inaccurate? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/7 "2021-04-29T16:22:11Z")
What difference does it make? Is there some reason to think it impossible that Hitler had Jewish ancestors? Why do you assume it’s not true? Are you talking about some claim that one of Hitler’s grandfathers was Jewish? I don’t think that is at all established, but if someone is looking at genetic tests it’s not surprising to see evidence of diverse ancestry, which is not evidence of much at all. But if you are talking about something more specific then please provide a source as @Czarcasm suggested. ---
**Author:** ![Octagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/2acd7d/32.png) [@Octagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octagon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/8 "2021-04-29T16:26:47Z")
Here’s just one example, But there are score of others I’ve see,. > **[DNA Study Suggests Hitler 'Had Jewish And African Roots'](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hitler-jewish-dna-tests-s_n_693568)** > > DNA Study Suggests Hitler 'Had Jewish And African Roots' ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/9 "2021-04-29T16:26:59Z")
Hitler’s father (Alois Schicklgruber, who changed his name to Hitler) was born illegitimate. One rumor alleged after the war: his father (Adolph’s grandfather) was: _" A Jew named Leopold Frankenberger, as reported by ex-Nazi [Hans Frank](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Frank) during the [Nuremberg Trials](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials). Historians dismiss the Frankenberger hypothesis (which had only Frank’s speculation as evidence) as baseless, as there were no Jewish families in Graz at the time Maria became pregnant."_ More likely it was one of the (Non-Jewish) men at the Heidler house where she worked as a maid. But it’s a good story. ---
**Author:** ![Octagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/2acd7d/32.png) [@Octagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octagon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/10 "2021-04-29T16:28:14Z")
If we all go back far enough, we’re all African. But I’m referring to recent ancestry, ---
**Author:** ![Octagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/2acd7d/32.png) [@Octagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octagon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/11 "2021-04-29T16:29:28Z")
# Historians cast doubt on Hitler Jewish heritage claims > **[Historians cast doubt on Hitler Jewish heritage claims](https://www.timesofisrael.com/historians-cast-doubt-on-hitler-jewish-heritage-claims/)** > > New research attempts to revive conspiracy theory that the Nazi leader had a Jewish grandfather ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/12 "2021-04-29T16:30:31Z")
Why do you consider that nonsense? Do you have some evidence that the story was fabricated? Do you think DNA tests were conducted improperly? Did the testers misreport the results, intentionally or otherwise? Please tell us why you think DNA tests could not reveal that Hitler shared genes with some Jews in his ancestry? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/13 "2021-04-29T16:31:17Z")
> [@Octagon](#): > > Here’s just one example, But there are score of others I’ve see,. As with the [history.com](http://history.com) example, which parts of _this_ article are inaccurate? ---
**Author:** ![Octagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/2acd7d/32.png) [@Octagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octagon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/14 "2021-04-29T16:35:41Z")
Where is the scholarly corroboration? I haven’t found any. I’m not a geneticist but if quality newspapers were to corroborate it, I’d be more inclined to consider the possibility. But it hasn’t happened as far as I know. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/15 "2021-04-29T16:35:55Z")
Do you have a source that doesn’t treat the subject of Hitler’s grandfather with skepticism? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/16 "2021-04-29T16:37:26Z")
> [@Octagon](#): > > If we all go back far enough, we’re all African. But I’m referring to recent ancestry, What difference would it make, one way or the other? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/17 "2021-04-29T16:38:58Z")
> [@Octagon](#): > > I see more and more nonsense about Hitler’s supposed Jewish ancestry online . No quality newspaper or academic/scholarly book I know of supports the claim. I’m interested in any good recent scientific rebuttal to this drivel. Why is this so important to you? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/18 "2021-04-29T16:40:47Z")
> [@Octagon](#): > > Where is the scholarly corroboration? I haven’t found any. I’m not a geneticist but if quality newspapers were to corroborate it, I’d be more inclined to consider the possibility. But it hasn’t happened as far as I know. Why do you expect to see that? Articles about DNA tests showing distant genetic similarities to distant ancestors is not the same thing as the largely debunked story about his grandfather, but they aren’t in opposition to each other. I don’t know, but possibly DNA test could resolve the question of the identity of the unknown grandfather. I don’t need to see peer reviewed scholarly articles about that subject because the ordinary media articles explain what is known about it quite well and there is no reason to think they are making it up. Just as it seems unlikely that Hitler’s grandfather was a Jewish man it seems likely that he will show some common ancestry with Jews and Africans in DNA tests. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/19 "2021-04-29T16:53:08Z")
Why do you think the links provided so far are nonsense? ---
**Author:** ![Octagon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/2acd7d/32.png) [@Octagon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octagon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043/20 "2021-04-29T16:53:24Z")
This is a forum to resolve questions. The question comes up a lot in the media and in general conversation. I would like to know if there anyone other than Dr Sax who has confirmed these findings. Until now I have not seen any corroboration to Hitler’s Jewish ancestry. Hopefully there is another independent study out there that confirm or debunks the one carried out by Dr. Leonard Sax. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-anyone-know-of-any-2021-scientific-rebuttal-to-the-nonsense-peddled-about-hitlers-supposed-jewish-ancestry-ancestry/941043.md?page=2)