# Does arguing with umpires ever work in the Major League Baseball? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 29, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-arguing-with-umpires-ever-work-in-the-major-league-baseball/817003 "2018-06-29T17:07:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2018, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-arguing-with-umpires-ever-work-in-the-major-league-baseball/817003/21 "2018-07-04T12:38:28Z")
Aside: there was a commercial several years ago, probably for Budweiser, where the manager comes running out of the dugout to argue with the umpire. They have this stereotypical baseball argument, complete with the manager stomping on his hat, but the dialogue is all about the manager inviting the umpire to dinner. “LINDA AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU OVER FOR DINNER!!” “I’LL BE THERE AT EIGHT!!” When the umpire shows up later at the manager’s house, the two men immediately bump their chests together and start screaming. “YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME!!” “THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!” I can’t find it now, of course. I loved that commercial. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2018, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-arguing-with-umpires-ever-work-in-the-major-league-baseball/817003/22 "2018-07-05T17:24:05Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Here’s one that sort of worked: George Brett arguing his out in the “pine tar bat” game (7/24/1983). Not only was the call reversed and the game continued from that point, but the rule that resulted in the call was changed the following season. > > Also, the resumed game featured what I have been told was the most recent major league game where a left-handed player played second base. But the reversal didn’t happen because of the on field argument. It was a formal protest and appeal to the league. > [@silenus](#): > > To the point that Luciano once bounced him while he was turning in the Orioles lineup card before a game. It sort of worked for Weaver. The league decided Luciano shouldn’t work any more Baltimore games. > [@Bayard](#): > > Aside: there was a commercial several years ago, probably for Budweiser, where the manager comes running out of the dugout to argue with the umpire. They have this stereotypical baseball argument, complete with the manager stomping on his hat, but the dialogue is all about the manager inviting the umpire to dinner. “LINDA AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU OVER FOR DINNER!!” “I’LL BE THERE AT EIGHT!!” When the umpire shows up later at the manager’s house, the two men immediately bump their chests together and start screaming. “YOU HAVE A BEAUTIFUL HOME!!” “THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!” > > I can’t find it now, of course. I loved that commercial. IIRC from one of Luciano’s books this isn’t far from reality. There was a least one occasion when a manager came out yelling that he knew the call was right but he had to get thrown out to light a fire under the fans and the team. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-arguing-with-umpires-ever-work-in-the-major-league-baseball/817003/23 "2018-07-06T13:19:57Z")
I can’t remember which manager it was, but a fairly famous one, who once came out to argue because his team was getting its ass kicked and he just wanted to go home early. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-arguing-with-umpires-ever-work-in-the-major-league-baseball/817003/24 "2018-07-06T14:24:25Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I can’t remember which manager it was, but a fairly famous one, who once came out to argue because his team was getting its ass kicked and he just wanted to go home early. I remember reading a story along those lines in a collection of baseball anecdotes, where the umpire refused to throw out a manager with the reasoning “If I have to stay here, you have to stay here.” ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-arguing-with-umpires-ever-work-in-the-major-league-baseball/817003/25 "2018-07-06T17:21:15Z")
As a kid, I was at a Pirate game in the late 60s or early 70s. The Pirate Manager, Danny Murtaugh, argued some obscure rule. The umpires grouped together, discussed, and changed the initial call. I remember my dad explaining it but forget the details. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-arguing-with-umpires-ever-work-in-the-major-league-baseball/817003.md?page=1)