# Does football(soccer) breed more fan violence than other sports, and if so, why? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 1, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-football-soccer-breed-more-fan-violence-than-other-sports-and-if-so-why/833331 "2019-05-01T16:46:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 36
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As **mhendo** pointed out: > [@](#): > > This article (you need a JSTOR account), from all the way back in 1980, compares soccer in Britain with the then-fairly-new emergence of professional soccer in the United States. The author concluded that fan violence was unlikely to be as much of a factor in the United States, largely due to different social and economic and cultural factors among the crowds, and also physical issues like stadium design. > > Factors contributing to violence in the UK, according to the author, included the working-class nature of the game, the incredibly social and collective nature of fandom, the cramped and dirty conditions on the terraces (this was before the rise of all-seat stadiums), the comparative lack of women and children in the stands, and the ritualized nature of game attendance, often including long bus rides starting before dawn in order to get to away games, and extended drinking sessions in pubs and taverns before the game. As an interesting bit that shows how the sport is not likely to be the issue, in the 1960’s football (yes, the American sport.) in Mexico was very popular at the universities, and the rivalry, other unrests and heavy hand of the authorities back then, generated riots and then a massacre. > **[The Incredible History of American Football in Mexico](https://thelab.bleacherreport.com/after-the-massacre-1968-mexico-city-american-football/)** > > A tragic past awaits the NFL's return > [@](#): > > Revolutionary uprisings were erupting all over the world in 1968. That summer, as Mexico prepared to become the first Latin American country to host an Olympic Games, unrest first emerged on the UNAM campus. It started at a football game. > > “At the universities, even at the high schools, it’s the students’ sport,’’ Coach Rivera says of football, echoing the words Hector Castro told me at the game. “Soccer is for everybody, but football is most popular with the students.” > > Two high school teams affiliated with UNAM and its big rival IPN played each other in late July 1968. After the game, a fight broke out among fans. The fight itself has been described as no particular big deal. The government’s response, though, felt like overkill. Riot police barricaded students inside UNAM’s high school, holding them captive for days. One officer discharged a bazooka, obliterating a door that had been hand-carved in the 18th century. > > The UNAM student body rallied against the police aggression. The rector of the university joined the cause, lowering flags to half-mast and referring to the trapped students as political prisoners. The UNAM campus emptied into the streets, marchers shouting “Unete pueblo!” People unite! > > Into August, the movement’s leaders found their voice. They demanded the release of political prisoners, the abolition of the riot police and other liberal reforms. When the demands were not met, students chanted insults at President Gustavo Diaz Ordaz, which had never been done; Mexican presidents had always been treated with reverence. Marching into El Zocalo, the capital’s main square and the symbolic center of the country, the students vowed to stay overnight, or stay for a week, if that’s what it took. President Diaz Ordaz responded with tanks, first in the main square, then eventually onto the UNAM campus, which he shut down. > > By October 2, with the Olympics about to start, Diaz Ordaz warned that he had tolerated student criticism, but “todo tiene un limite.” Everything has a limit. Grainy footage of a student rally in the Plaza of the Three Cultures shows young children in the crowd that day, and at least one pet dog. From a third-story terrace in an apartment building that fronts the plaza, students aired their grievances. Armed troops massed in the ruins of the old Aztec city. A military helicopter twirled overhead. When a flare dropped from the helicopter onto the plaza, the crowd scattered in confusion. Then the shots rang out. > > It’s still unclear exactly what happened. The general consensus, all these years later, is that the first shots came from snipers planted by the government, and that the bullets were intended to spook the troops on the ground. Those troops fired back, striking one student after another. A low estimate counted maybe 40 dead. Other estimates start at 300 people killed, with the true number possibly much higher. (Remains of massacre victims have been discovered as recently as 2007.) Films show bodies falling onto the plaza’s slate tiles. And then more bodies. And then more bodies still. > > “The most traumatic part was the next day,” says Rivera. “The main TV news in Mexico started with an announcement that Mexico is waking up to a sunny day. Nobody said anything! Everybody was expecting questions like, ‘What happened? Why did they shoot them? Why are there so many dead?’ And yet, nothing.” > > The massacre at Tlatelolco effectively ended Mexico’s student movement. Ten days later, at Estadio Olimpico, President Diaz Ordaz opened the Summer Games. Volunteers released thousands of doves in a symbolic reference to the Games’ theme, which was peace. > > ✦ ✦ ✦ > > The 1968 football season was canceled across Mexico. In 1969 UNAM tried to field a team but other universities declined to play them. A year after that, in 1970, Pumas players were divided into three separate squads, to dilute their talent. The games of those three teams were monitored closely by the government. Garcia Miravete, the former player, tells me rowdy “fans” were planted in the stands to disrupt the games, to steal wallets and purses, to smash stuff and make the stadiums unattractive places to spend an afternoon. Castro, the doctor and Pumas fan, tells me the same thing, as do several histories I’ve read. > > “They didn’t want the students to get together, so they tried to disrupt football,” Castro says. “There was still that taboo linked to football, because of what happened in ‘68.” > > UNAM football players didn’t unite again as one team until 30 years after the massacre, in 1998. I became aware of that in the 1970’s via a Mexican political comic; they pointed out that, back then, there were opinions in the Mexican press _that blamed the violence on American football_ as it was seen by several then as a very violent sport that incited the same. So, besides the government heavy hand, the blame was conveniently passed to the sport and it lost a lot of popularity in Mexico. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-football-soccer-breed-more-fan-violence-than-other-sports-and-if-so-why/833331)._