# Does God have dimensions? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 12, 2007, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120 "2007-11-12T12:07:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/21 "2007-11-13T15:32:50Z")
[QUOTE=the raindog] This cannot be supported in the bible. On the contrary. [/QUOTE] You speak the truth. But the Bible is not the only source of knowledge about Big G. We have intellects and can use them to try to noodle out information about God. ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2007, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/22 "2007-11-13T17:45:05Z")
[QUOTE=tonedef] BTW. If god is a spirt why does he have an arse? He doesn’t need it right? [/QUOTE] He wouldn’t be able to sit at the right hand of anything if he didn’t have a butt to sit with. [QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] But the Bible is not the only source of knowledge about Big G. We have intellects and can use them to try to noodle out information about God. [/QUOTE] So what do you know about god? I mean ‘know’ and not ‘believe’ or ‘guess’ or ‘made up’. Really, how do you know god lives in the 4th dimension or is love or anything? Is it just something you really really wish or do you have any actual evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/23 "2007-11-14T02:46:17Z")
We are surrounded by evidence. Different people draw differing conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/24 "2007-11-14T03:14:49Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] We are surrounded by evidence. [/QUOTE] People’s unfounded assertions and stories written by prescientific primitives aren’t “evidence”. At least, not the sort that deserves anything beyond being laughed off. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/25 "2007-11-14T05:13:28Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] People’s unfounded assertions and stories written by prescientific primitives aren’t “evidence”. At least, not the sort that deserves anything beyond being laughed off. [/QUOTE] C’mon, he’s using the old “sunsets are beautiful, therefore god exists” argument. As for the OP, I can just quote old Firesign “How can you be in two places at once, When you’re not anywhere at all?” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/26 "2007-11-14T12:10:23Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] C’mon, he’s using the old “sunsets are beautiful, therefore god exists” argument. [/QUOTE] I am not arguing. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/27 "2007-11-14T12:31:15Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] Since God exists outside our dimensions, He has no place, just as He has no location. So, there is no spacial heaven, no matter how far Jon-Luc drives the Enterprise, he cannot find heaven. [/QUOTE] If God has no location or no place then I would interpet this as he is no where. If there is a 4th dimension it would be a place. So the dimension would proceed a God. The Lords Prayer say’s" Our Father that is in Heaven", is heaven the 4th dimension? Very confusing! Monavis ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/28 "2007-11-14T12:39:34Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] I am not arguing. [/QUOTE] Yes, you are… ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/29 "2007-11-14T12:40:42Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] To further confuse the issue, instead of God dwelling inside or outside the whole time-space construct, consider that the time-space construct might exist inside of God. [/QUOTE] Of course if the Word “God” means existence than that would be true. Monavis ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/30 "2007-11-14T16:01:23Z")
[QUOTE=Latro] Yes, you are… [/QUOTE] You call this an argument? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/31 "2007-11-14T16:16:53Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] You call this an argument? [/QUOTE] That’s what I get for sleeping instead of posting - people steal my response. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![AskNott](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asknott/32/5790_2.png) [@AskNott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AskNott)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2007, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/32 "2007-11-15T17:41:28Z")
The whole thing came from a simple error in transcription. God has dementia. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/33 "2007-11-16T04:40:24Z")
Almost on topic, while getting a shave yesterday, I was reading The Weekly Telegraph. It had the most amusing letter to the editor, not having it in front of me, I shall have to paraphrase, “Atheists do not 'indoctrinate” their children. We tell them the truth. It is the religious people who brainwash their children." Well, OK, so I am glad we cleared that up. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/34 "2007-11-16T05:19:01Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] Almost on topic, while getting a shave yesterday, I was reading The Weekly Telegraph. It had the most amusing letter to the editor, not having it in front of me, I shall have to paraphrase, “Atheists do not 'indoctrinate” their children. We tell them the truth. It is the religious people who brainwash their children." Well, OK, so I am glad we cleared that up. [/QUOTE] That’s only ironic if you grant religion and atheism equal plausibility. They don’t have it; not even close. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/35 "2007-11-16T07:50:48Z")
It is ironic you do not grant ideas held by reasonable people respect. Civility and an open mind both require it. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2007, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/36 "2007-11-16T17:18:20Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] It is ironic you do not grant ideas held by reasonable people respect. Civility and an open mind both require it. [/QUOTE] Not at all. Civility requires that we treat the reasonable person _presenting_ the idea with respect. An open mind requires that we listen to the presented idea and assess it’s value objectively and without prior bias. Nothing whatsoever requires me to respect a stupid idea, once I’ve done a reasonable job of assessing it with an open mind and have determined that it’s stupid or incorrect. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2007, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/37 "2007-11-17T01:54:30Z")
You attack a widely-held idea out of hand. I would much prefer you explain why your ideas are valid and the idea held by most of humanity is invalid. Instead you simply proclaim the truth. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2007, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/38 "2007-11-17T02:09:49Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] You attack a widely-held idea out of hand. I would much prefer you explain why your ideas are valid and the idea held by most of humanity is invalid. Instead you simply proclaim the truth. [/QUOTE] To whom are you replying? If it’s me, the valid reason that we shouldn’t respect stupid beliefs is that stupid beliefs are stupid. The reason most people wish people would respect beliefs regardless of the stupidity of those beliefs is because their own beliefs are stupid but they are tired of them being attacked because of that stupidity, but that’s not a valid reason for other people to respect their stupid beliefs anyway, even if they do feel compelled to be polite in disputing them. If it’s Der Trihs, the valid reason that we don’t think that religion has as much validity as scientifically demonstrated truths is that the science is repeatable, consistent, and useful for making predictions (in which case each accurate prediction validates the truth of the prediction method), whereas religion is not only none of these things, but any given religion is in competition with numerous others all that have the same lack of evidence and yet each of which vacuously claims their own belief is true, for no sensible reason. The reason believers think that their religions are as credible as scientific fact is because the believers have such spectacular egos that they can’t accept being wrong in their chosen stupid beleif, but this is an invalid reason to give religion equal credibility. Note: not all religious believers believe that their religion trumps scientifically observable reality; those people are of course not referred to in my above paragraph, since they don’t meet the criteria being described. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2007, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/39 "2007-11-17T02:46:35Z")
I suppose I was replying to both of you. I rarely note who wrote what, another of my many failings. In any case, respect is simple courtesy. I give it to you. I hope for the same in return. “Stupid ideas are stupid” is circular reasoning if it is reasoning at all. As far as this thread is concerned, you have presented no evidence of a flaw in my reasoning. Instead you let your logic put its tail in its own mouth and run in circles. I am sure you can do better and hope you will. I on the other hand have to go to work now, so I will be checking back in a few hours. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2007, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120/40 "2007-11-17T02:58:59Z")
[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi] I suppose I was replying to both of you. I rarely note who wrote what, another of my many failings. In any case, respect is simple courtesy. I give it to you. I hope for the same in return. “Stupid ideas are stupid” is circular reasoning if it is reasoning at all. As far as this thread is concerned, you have presented no evidence of a flaw in my reasoning. Instead you let your logic put its tail in its own mouth and run in circles. I am sure you can do better and hope you will. I on the other hand have to go to work now, so I will be checking back in a few hours. [/QUOTE] “Stupid ideas are stupid” is a tautology and is thus always true. It is not an argument at all; it is is a statement of fact, and it is not circular. I give people courtesy. I don’t give ideas courtesy. And I was responding **only** to your flawed statements in post #35, the one I quoted. That post makes a false assertion, and I made an argument to that effect. And in that argument, my logic is perfectly linear, and besides which is also perfectly correct; I can do no better than that. As far as any other posts of yours in this thread to which I have _not_ explicitly replied, I have made no arguments at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-god-have-dimensions/426120.md?page=3)