# Does her claim of Satanic influence make her less credible? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 17, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-her-claim-of-satanic-influence-make-her-less-credible/681549 "2014-02-17T17:41:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![arielburns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6de8d8/32.png) [@arielburns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arielburns)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-her-claim-of-satanic-influence-make-her-less-credible/681549/201 "2014-03-01T07:36:09Z")
[quote=“WhyNot, post:146, topic:681549”] When I was preparing to do my Psych rotation in nursing school, I was terrified of the patients. To make matters worse, I was assigned to the Aggressive Men’s Floor of a run down scary hospital in one of the worst west side neighborhoods in Chicago, known for rampant crime and drug abuse (the neighborhood, not the hospital). When I was done with the rotation, I had a new appreciation for the plight of the homeless-and-maybe-a-little-mentally-off men in my city…and I was terrified of the Psych nurses. This thread is reminding me why.[/QUOTE Rahr …/. ---
**Author:** ![arielburns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6de8d8/32.png) [@arielburns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arielburns)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-her-claim-of-satanic-influence-make-her-less-credible/681549/202 "2014-03-01T07:42:49Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Mostly. But not entirely. As I said, there were some legitimately mentally ill patients with acute symptoms. It was watching how they handled - or rather didn’t handle - those exceptions that I found unacceptable and drove me out of psych nursing as a career choice. It was all sedate and isolate and ignore. The classes and groups on the schedule almost never happened, no one was interested in actually helping those patients to heal. While most of them were indeed overpriced hotel patrons, there were others who were not - but no one was interested in differentiating the two or treating the patients as patients. > > Same thing I’m reading here. Her patient came in during “Satanic holidays,” because she was so upset that a hospital was the only place she felt safe, and she sat alone in her room. No interventions to draw her out, to help her learn how to deal with her anxiety, to get her functional enough so that she didn’t need to be hospitalized 8 times a year. This woman needed a nurse, and she got a hotel staff - a hotel staff who said nasty things about her in the break room while she sat quietly alone in her room in terror. Wow, imagination much? Been in a psych ward lately? We have magic wands that wisp away all your troubles. Acute psychiatric care is modeled to provide a safe environment in a short term crisis. We ARE NOT designed to provide any long term solutions to psychiatric illness. I’m not getting into it, you can research it. We provide treatment for acute crises and refer to outpatient modalities. That is an established rule. ---
**Author:** ![arielburns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6de8d8/32.png) [@arielburns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arielburns)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-her-claim-of-satanic-influence-make-her-less-credible/681549/203 "2014-03-01T07:49:45Z")
> [@arielburns](#): > > Wow, imagination much? Been in a psych ward lately? We have magic wands that wisp away all your troubles. > > Acute psychiatric care is modeled to provide a safe environment in a short term crisis. We ARE NOT designed to provide any long term solutions to psychiatric illness. I’m not getting into it, you can research it. We provide treatment for acute crises and refer to outpatient modalities. That is an established rule. Furthermore, this is a client I experienced years ago and I’m still looking for real answers. That is out of pure compassion and my commitment to never undermine any possible factors in our diagnostic outcomes. I find it cruel to suggest that my practice is anything less than sincere. While people are hammering away at the inequities in psychiatric care I’m screaming about them, yet somehow I’m the crux of social injustice. NICE. ---
**Author:** ![arielburns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6de8d8/32.png) [@arielburns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/arielburns)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2014, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-her-claim-of-satanic-influence-make-her-less-credible/681549/204 "2014-03-01T08:11:10Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Mostly. But not entirely. As I said, there were some legitimately mentally ill patients with acute symptoms. It was watching how they handled - or rather didn’t handle - those exceptions that I found unacceptable and drove me out of psych nursing as a career choice. It was all sedate and isolate and ignore. The classes and groups on the schedule almost never happened, no one was interested in actually helping those patients to heal. While most of them were indeed overpriced hotel patrons, there were others who were not - but no one was interested in differentiating the two or treating the patients as patients. > > Same thing I’m reading here. Her patient came in during “Satanic holidays,” because she was so upset that a hospital was the only place she felt safe, and she sat alone in her room. No interventions to draw her out, to help her learn how to deal with her anxiety, to get her functional enough so that she didn’t need to be hospitalized 8 times a year. This woman needed a nurse, and she got a hotel staff - a hotel staff who said nasty things about her in the break room while she sat quietly alone in her room in terror. I apologize first off for being defensive. I do understand why you found it unacceptable, what I really wanted to say was that I’m different. I’m not working in the hospital setting any longer because of changes that took place when the hospitals started looking at their financial (cough, greed) profiles and things got worse and not better. How I’d love for that to change - it has been an extreme battle of wills and the advocates are losing due to the financial aspects. There are those of us who do want to provide adequate, feasible and viable care for those with mental illness. 🙂 We look forward, not away. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-her-claim-of-satanic-influence-make-her-less-credible/681549/205 "2014-03-03T07:11:36Z")
> [@arielburns](#): > > No, the people I know are not dangerous. Just weird as heck. I’m not making a correlation from murder to other occult practices in today’s society, but the practice of ritual magic is larger than I knew about. I was surprised. > > The practice of ritual murder is perishing, thank goodness. But this concept is not new. I’m just wondering why people would dismiss it as a possibility altogether since it has been a part of human history - and in some cultures, a huge, huge part. People dismiss it because of a. the fact, per your link, that it has all but disappeared, and b. there is no evidence of it occurring in the last jillion years, Temple of Set especially, and c. all of the ritual murders were done with before any of them/us were born, in places that we have never heard of or seen, and besides that, there weren’t that many even when they were done. It is a non-issue, so, people don’t make an issue of it. Basically, the same reason people don’t debate the merits of a Model T over a Model A…anymore. Or, perhaps more accurately, the merits of a 54 Lada over a 55 Lada. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2014, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-her-claim-of-satanic-influence-make-her-less-credible/681549/206 "2014-03-03T11:57:09Z")
> [@arielburns](#): > > Furthermore, this is a client I experienced years ago and I’m still looking for real answers. That is out of pure compassion and my commitment to never undermine any possible factors in our diagnostic outcomes. I find it cruel to suggest that my practice is anything less than sincere. While people are hammering away at the inequities in psychiatric care I’m screaming about them, yet somehow I’m the crux of social injustice. NICE. Considering all that we know about the mythology of satanic groups that gather to do evil deeds in the name of Satan, it seems like you’re not looking for real answers-you’re looking until you find the answers you already think are the truth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-her-claim-of-satanic-influence-make-her-less-credible/681549.md?page=10)