# Does Israel have to stay where it is? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 2, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-israel-have-to-stay-where-it-is/694657 "2014-08-02T17:35:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-israel-have-to-stay-where-it-is/694657/241 "2014-08-14T21:27:38Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Thatas not what I asked. > > I was responding to a poster that characterized the palestinians as the world’s bggest crybaby poor losers for continuing to fight for something they lost in 1948. I was asking if Israel lost a war, if that meant Israel should just throw up their hands and stop fighting. No because as far as overall goals are concerned there really is a good side and a bad side in this fight (hint: the bad side is the one that wants to eradicate their enemy). The Palestinians didn’t lose a game of chess. They were on the wrong side of a huge war with real consequences for that choice. Instead of realizing the error of their ways they have spent the decades since making things worse for themselves. If I gamble my house in a card game and lose, am I justified in trying to kill the winner to get it back? If a Native American tribe in say, Oklahoma, decided that they wanted their land back and started waging war against the state, would you be fine with that? What if they decided that one of their goals in addition to reclaiming land was to kill as many non-NA people as possible? Why are you so content to have the Palestinians take up arms rather than use other means to fight for their “legitimate grievance.” ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-israel-have-to-stay-where-it-is/694657/242 "2014-08-14T21:30:14Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t think the world would sit by as someone commits genocide in Israel. So you’re OK with their charter since the world wouldn’t let them carry it out? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-israel-have-to-stay-where-it-is/694657/243 "2014-08-14T21:42:22Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Well I wasn’t looking for a “right” answer, just an answer that addressed the question. Terr has apparently decided his real views are too fantastical for us to hear and skipped away ☹ Which part of “And yes, “Jewish people in a state of displacement” accepted it for thousands of years. Jewish people were displaced from a myriad of places. And accepted it. In 1948 “Jewish people” accepted a tiny bit of land which ALL belonged to them in the past that they were displaced from.” was not clear to you? Being displaced and accepting it, again and again, is part of Jewish history. So is surviving the dispersal and coming back. As I said, if Israel was somehow defeated and by some miracle the Jews somehow survived, I would be urging them and working on having them get out from under the genocidal Arab occupying regime instead of staying in place. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-israel-have-to-stay-where-it-is/694657/244 "2014-08-14T21:45:50Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Oh I read that, but didn’t think there was anything to reply to. I specifically said when I requested it that I didn’t disbelieve the claim, just that I wanted to see it for myself out of a intellectual curiosity. I’ve said many times that I consider Hamas to be terrorists that deserve to be eliminated so if you were thinking I was a Hamas supporter and wanted to disprove all the “conservative lies” on this “fake charter”, then that was not my intention. I just wanted to see how it was written that’s all. What would you like me to respond to? Er…you just did. My turn to say I misinterpreted what I read. I didn’t know your previous stance on Hamas and thought you kinda were asking to disprove the “fake charter”. Rereading in light of your current statement and not actually skipping over the “and while I don’t doubt it,” phrase that was clearly in your earlier post makes my comment seem kinda stupid. Apologies and my bad. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2014, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-israel-have-to-stay-where-it-is/694657/245 "2014-08-14T21:56:57Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > But he can’t say that because he thinks he has respect left on this board that he could still lose by being honest. I dunno, he seems like a very sad man or woman to me This sort of personal remark does nothing to move the discussion forward. Knock it off. [/Moderating] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-israel-have-to-stay-where-it-is/694657.md?page=12)