I crafted a fine rebuttal to this statement, only to find when I previewed it that Kimstu beat me to it! Darn you, Kimstu!
In regard to the OP, all I have to add, Bill, is that you never cease to amaze me with your ignorance of the basic functionings of our system of government. Didn’t you learn anything in your high school civics class? Or did you just sleep through the whole thing?
Two are voted in ooh boy two. Were not all of the legislators voted in? And one more small fact doesn’t the law state that the legislators vote the electors in case of this type crap instead of the supreme court?
Wildest Bill, not meaning to poke fun at you, but given your general opinion of the legal system and the legal profession, I would seriously recommend you get a couple books on the history of our legal system and start reading them.
No offense taken you are a fair and nice poster that I respect. But I really don’t feel like I am alone here. Lots of people have a problem with lawyers(not all of them especially Jody ) and the legal system in general. I mean for Heaven’s sake OJ was set free what kind of crap is that?
I really don’t think cases are settled by facts anymore but the thriftyness and savvy of the lawyer to manipulate the facts through the system.
But back to the original post this election was close I know. But a winner was determined and now it is up to the lawyers to find different ways for their client to win. It has came down to who can argue the best case the republican lawyers or the democratic lawyers. Then the judges hear them argue and then decide for themselves. Y’all can say that they don’t let party affilliation get involved but how can they not(thought they would never admit it)? There is always going to be a little bias on both sides.
What I should have asked on the op is would you rather the election be decided NOW by the courts or a coin toss?
Bill, do you not read people’s posts? ALL the current justices on the Florida Supreme Court have been retained by a popular vote of the people. Some were just elevated after that retaining vote was done at a lower level. And besides, don’t you remember high school government? The point of a non-elected judiciary is to have an UNBIASED review.
Personally, I think it’s fascinating. The Supreme Court is making a decision that will affect who joins them in the next few years. I honestly wish I was back in college right now in my government seminars…would be fun to discuss.
(And after a reading from preview…Bill, a winner was NOT declared, since several thousand votes were either thrown out, or were altered BY REPUBLICANS so that they WOULD count. You may not like it, but under Florida law, Gore can appeal the election. And that’s what he’s doing. First stand he’s ever made on an issue in his life.)
I don’t think any lawyers found OJ Simpson not guilty. A jury reached the verdict. That jury was made up of people just like you. No lawyers were responsible for that verdict. No lawyers were responsible for voter error in Florida. The ones in the wrong – the people who have let you down – in both these instances were regular folks just like you. Therefor, I blame you, Bill. I blame you for OJ Simpson. I blame you for Florida. I blame you for Barney the Big Purple Dinosaur. I blame you for everything.
the entire legal argument in florida would be a little easier to take if there was just a shred of objectivity. mr. bush has been declared the winner by a secretary of state who was his state campaign chairman, in a state governed by his brother. the state legislature, and the state supreme court are predominately republican, as is the u.s. supreme court. it is a little like asking keith richards to decide whether or not to legalize marijuana.
the amazing thing is that it is a legal argument. as noted by previous posters: no troops or tanks in the streets, no military coup, just a lot of disgusted citizens.
longhair’s prediction: the eventual winner of the white house will watch as the mid term election hands the house and senate to the opposition with a significant majority.
I have to agree with Wildest Bill on this one. The process has been so transparently partisan that it does bother me a great deal that the Supreme Court will decide whether the recount counts and thus the victor. I don’t have to suggest a better system to have this opinion, either.
No, you don’t; but if you can’t offer a coherent picture of what should happen (or at least a correction that’s achievable), yer jest bellyachin’.
Having listened to Justice Kennedy’s articulation of his reasoning for stopping the recount, I must agree: if the recounts aren’t done under a unified standard that exists before the recount is underway, then the recount has no legitimacy. While this happens to favour Bush (and could I have voted, I’d have voted for Gore), but it makes the most sense I’ve heard yet.
Since the governor hasn’t made any of the relevant decisions in this case, I don’t see what difference that makes, and it is my understanding that all seven of the Florida Supreme Court justices are Democrats, as are the county judges who ruled on the issue of the absentee ballots.
And while I’m at it, I’ll remind whoever it was that the absentee ballots weren’t touched, it was only the applications, and the reason the democrat applications didn’t have the numbers written by hand on them was that those numbers were done by computer before they were sent out.
So, kimstu, I guess what it takes to get you to contribute your cogent logic and patient explanations to this whole election saga is to have Wildest Bill start a thread on the subject? If I had known that, I would have tried to get him to start one sooner!
Brava!! And to add to this - lawyers don’t sue anybody. Lawyers don’t do any of the crap that has you so worked up about lawyers about. Their clients do.
As for the election, we wouldn’t be in the situation we are if George Bush, then Al Gore (not their lawyers) hadn’t decided to go to court.
As for O.J., sorry to tell you this, but the jurors got that one right. I personally believe he did it, but if I had been a juror in that trial, I would have been ethically, morally, and legally required to vote for acquittal. The prosecution (damn lawyers :)) didn’t prove their case. Ironically, it now seems that the most outrageous accusation of the O.J. defense lawyers, that the police planted evidence, may have been correct. As we are learning with the Rampart scandal, the LAPD (or at least members of) systematically planted evidence.
Is our legal system out of control right now? Yeah. But there’s a simple solution - regular guys like you, WB, have to just stop suing each other. Until you guys learn self-control, Jodi and I will keep making the big bucks.