# Does Johnny Hart (of B.C. fame) really say this about Jews? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [March 27, 2003, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542 "2003-03-27T15:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/21 "2003-03-28T18:05:41Z")
Yeah, I always think Hart’s view that Jews go to hell is simply the most common Christian belief. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/22 "2003-03-28T18:08:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\*What is the official Catholic view? \*\* From the [catechism](http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#839) > [@](#): > > The relationship of the Church with the Jewish People. When she delves into her own mystery, the Church, the People of God in the New Covenant, discovers her link with the Jewish People,326 "the first to hear the Word of God."327 The Jewish faith, unlike other non-Christian religions, is already a response to God’s revelation in the Old Covenant. To the Jews “belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises; to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ”,328 "for the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable."329 general comments on salvation > [@](#): > > Outside the Church there is no salvation" > > 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: > Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336 > > 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: > Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337 > > 848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338 ---
**Author:** ![Achernar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e274bd/32.png) [@Achernar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Achernar)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/23 "2003-03-28T18:19:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anamorphic \* > As soon as I can find a way (and get all the permits), I’m going to cash in on the ‘reality t.v.’- craze, and set up a camera crew in the afterlife. One of the most fundamental and accepted doctrines of every major and minor religion since the inception of time is that _there is no reality television in heaven_. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/24 "2003-03-28T22:20:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by beagledave \* > \*\*From the [catechism](http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm#839) > (snip) > Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337 > > general comments on salvation \*\* I wonder if anybody can elaborate on this a bit. In the official Catholic view (if there is one on this subject), how much does a person have to know about “the Gospel of Christ or his Church” before they are “responsible” for following Christ? I can see that a lot of people, perhaps Hart included, argue that most reasonably educated Jews know something of Christ and the principles of Christianity, and hence are not exempt in the " through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church" clause. ---
**Author:** ![acropolis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@acropolis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/acropolis)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/25 "2003-03-29T17:47:19Z")
I would like a moment to point out the Jewish perspective. Jews believe that God made a convenant with them. Jews also believe that God is able to make covenants with any or all other groups as well. Jews (I am trying to avoid using “we” or “they”) feel that if they follow their covenant, God will reward them and the same way for any other group; follow the contract. This is why Jews dont actively prostelitize (try to convert people). ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/26 "2003-03-29T18:23:23Z")
This is asked and anwered, yes? ---
**Author:** ![Anamorphic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/anamorphic/32/3057_2.png) [@Anamorphic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anamorphic)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/27 "2003-03-29T18:28:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Achernar \* > \*\*One of the most fundamental and accepted doctrines of every major and minor religion since the inception of time is that _there is no reality television in heaven_. \*\* Oh, it wouldn’t be _shown_ in heaven. I know they’ve got much more interesting, fun things to do with their time. It’s only for the huddled masses here on earth. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/28 "2003-03-29T18:33:49Z")
I’m still curious if my feeling that Hart’s view that Jews go to hell is the most common or “standard” Christian view (if such a thing exists). This is not anti-semitism, it is simply that they feel one _must_ worship Jesus Christ as a pre-requisite for heaven. ---
**Author:** ![acropolis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9f8e36/32.png) [@acropolis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/acropolis)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2003, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/29 "2003-03-29T18:53:46Z")
It’s not anti-semitism to believe that Jews are going to hell for not believing in Jesus as the messiah my response: I can handle the responsibility of my own soul, thanks. It is anti-semitism to think that Jews are evil (or anything else negative) for not believing in Jesus as the messiah ---
**Author:** ![cedric45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@cedric45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cedric45)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2003, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/30 "2003-03-30T23:07:25Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Anamorphic \* > \*\* Phelps greeted at the pearly gates with a big hug and kiss by Liberace, and we’re there to see it!_\* I know I’ll regret asking this… but, who is Phelps? The guy from the old “Mission Impossible” show? ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2003, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/31 "2003-03-30T23:34:14Z")
[This guy.](http://www.godhatesfags.com/) Be warned, it is rather offensive. ---
**Author:** ![cedric45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d07c76/32.png) [@cedric45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cedric45)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2003, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542/32 "2003-03-31T01:04:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Some Guy \* > \*\*[This guy.](http://www.godhatesfags.com/) > > Be warned, it is rather offensive. \*\* Wow! No kidding. Only one pony in his circus I guess. Personally, I don’t think God hates anybody… unlike some of his “followers”. (and I use the term “followers” very generously!) Hey does this count as a hijack? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-johnny-hart-of-b-c-fame-really-say-this-about-jews/164542.md?page=1)