# Does Lebron James look even worse if Carmelo Anthony joins Heat? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 13, 2014, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681 "2014-06-13T03:35:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/101 "2014-06-17T18:31:10Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Really? I would say that defending LeBron James has never been the popular position! Kawhi Leonard sure seems to have his number. For a 3rd year player, the guy is phenomenal. Jame’s jukes and head fakes rarely threw him off his D. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/102 "2014-06-17T18:36:55Z")
> [@chicagowhitesox1173](#): > > When you had to face the Pistons, then a mere punch to a teammate doesn’t mean much. This is stupid, and the those Pistons teams were gone by the time the Bulls got Kerr. > [@](#): > > I’m not saying the Wizards are going to be there this year but I can see them winning very soon. I think the Pacers will regroup and should be ok. You ignored most of the point here. > [@](#): > > It’s their business to do what they want but as a fan of the NBA, I do think it a wussy thing to do. And here you missed the point. The point here is that if you talk about this in a more sensible way, the issue becomes clearer. > [@](#): > > I’m talking more about getting big name players like Anthony because I doubt Lebron would ever want to develop a young player. Probably because he knows he has no leadership skills. He’s the leader of a team that just made the finals four freaking times in a row. You’re right that the Heat don’t have many young players, but that’s because they keep picking at the bottom of the draft and because they are trying to win now. Low-cost veterans are a bigger part of their plan, but they need to get better at finding younger players who will help them. It’s not a LeBron thing, and anyway, they’ve developed Mario Chalmers in their own way. The sun does not revolve around LeBron. > [@](#): > > I’m also predicting that he’ll never have his number retired by any team he plays for. In a thread full of ignorant and ridiculous and uninformed statements, you continue to top yourself. > [@](#): > > You seem like a sports guy, so you know as well as I do that when a NBA player logs as many minutes as he has, that father time will eventually catch up to him. Eventually, sure. Not in two years. He’s played about 40,000 minutes counting the regular season and the playoffs. Kobe Bryant just suffered his first major injury at around 54,000. > [@](#): > > I don’t think he can re-invent himself the way Jordan. He’ll end up like Amare Stoudamire. He’s already reinvented himself as a low-post threat. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/103 "2014-06-17T18:41:32Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Kawhi Leonard sure seems to have his number. LeBron’s stats for the series: 28.2 points/7.8 rebounds/4 assists per game on 57% total shooting. Kawhi Leonard is awesome and over a series I’m not sure how much better you can do against modern-day LeBron, particularly when you’re putting up some big numbers on offense. But let’s not act like he was shut down- it was nothing close. On the other hand Bosh was quiet and Wade was awful. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/105 "2014-06-17T19:04:13Z")
> [@Jandana](#): > > What exactly is the coolest thing about him? He didn’t leave the Mafia as a free agent. Therefore he’s cool. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![chicagowhitesox1173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@chicagowhitesox1173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chicagowhitesox1173)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/106 "2014-06-17T19:20:57Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > **chicagowhitesox1173** , I suggest you work on using quote tags. They look like this: [noparse][/noparse]. > > [noparse][/noparse] > [@Jandana](#): > > What exactly is the coolest thing about him? > > The fact that he took part in the murder of more than 60 people? > > The fact that for one of those murders he had a guy taken to a Pittsburgh steel mill and had a red hot poker shoved up his butthole so the dude literally cooked to death? > > The fact that he cheated on his wife the entire time they were married? > > The fact that he beat his wife pretty much the entire time they were married? > > The fact that he beat his girlfriends/mistresses? > > The fact that he used a hot iron on one of his mistresses? > > The fact that he was a cocaine addict? > > The fact that he tried to have several players on the Boston College basketball team murdered because they refused to shave points? This was a really good one because he planned to have the bodies of the players shoved through the baskets on BC’s home court. > > The fact that after going into the WPP and being moved to Arizona he proceeded to start up a drug ring/meth lab? > > Obviously you think and believe those are all things to be applauded and to be proud of and are coll, but which is the coolest? Yeah ok, Did you not like the movie Goodfellas? Obviously I liked him because of the movie. If you didn’t like those Goodfella characters, then I think your a liar. I don’t want to talk about Hentry Hill or whatever real name Jimmy Conway was either. I deff don’t want to get in a Good fella debate with you because you sound like some kind of Good Fella expert. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/107 "2014-06-17T19:33:02Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Ah, but the Celtics (the team I root for, BTW) were put together by a GM. That makes all the difference. Somehow, magically, yes, that’s important. But in practice the Celtics were put together the same way the Heat were. The Celtics needed to make a move to keep Pierce, and Garnett and Allen were available because their teams were rebuilding and didn’t want to lose them in free agency for nothing. Garnett was interested in teaming up with Pierce and Allen was sold on the idea of joining those guys. If Garnett and Allen hadn’t agreed to it, the whole thing never would’ve happened. > [@](#): > > The only place I really disagree with \*\*Marley23 \*\* is with him sitting for the last 7 minutes of the game. He should have been out there, playing hard. They scored that many points in the first 7 minutes they could do it again even if it was a big uphill battle. No, they really couldn’t have. The Spurs took their best punch early on, and that was all the Heat had left. This was an exhausted team, and even if they hadn’t been exhausted, they weren’t about to hang a 19-0 run on the Spurs. > [@](#): > > If he’s a leader he needs to lead even when things look bleak. This is beginning to smack of “Why won’t Obama lead?” 😛 > [@chicagowhitesox1173](#): > > I’m still curious on why he sat those final minutes. It wasn’t even talked about in the press conference. _Because it’s been answered and everybody else understands the reason._ ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/108 "2014-06-17T20:00:36Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Somehow, magically, yes, that’s important. But in practice the Celtics were put together the same way the Heat were. My comment was meant to be sarcastic - I’m in complete agreement with you on this point. The fact that Danny Ainge put the Boston Big Three together rather than the players organizing things themselves is irrelevant - three superstars banded together with the hope of getting a championship. > [@](#): > > No, they really couldn’t have. The Spurs took their best punch early on, and that was all the Heat had left. You’re probably right, but it doesn’t matter. The game wasn’t completely hopeless and he should have been competing until that was undeniable. At least until there were two minutes left. The chances were slim but stranger things have happened in basketball. Someone gets hot shooting 3’s, a few turnovers, and some poor play by the Spurs and the complexion of the game could change quickly. It’s not likely, but that’s why they play the games. Seven minutes is just too long to sit out. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/109 "2014-06-17T20:08:05Z")
I can’t come to bed yet, honey… someone is WRONG on the INTERNET. (By the way, I rescind my comment about Jordan’s dad; of course I knew the gambling connections hadn’t been proven but I was under the impression it was a common assumption.) ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/110 "2014-06-17T20:11:29Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Kawhi Leonard sure seems to have his number. For a 3rd year player, the guy is phenomenal. Jame’s jukes and head fakes rarely threw him off his D. I was talking about defending his worth as a player, not actually playing defense against him. But since it’s come up, like **Marley** said, if it were any other player in the world, it would be far from anybody having his number – the story would be that this guy lit the Spurs up like a collective Euro/South American Christmas tree. Exactly one person in NBA history has shot 57% from the field and 50% from three point land in an NBA Finals while averaging more than 18 points a game. It was LeBron, this year. And he averaged 28. Cut it down to 55 and 50, which is only fair, and you get one name above him: Michael Jordan, 1991. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/111 "2014-06-17T20:29:17Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > My comment was meant to be sarcastic - I’m in complete agreement with you on this point. The fact that Danny Ainge put the Boston Big Three together rather than the players organizing things themselves is irrelevant - three superstars banded together with the hope of getting a championship. I know. I was agreeing with you and expanding on the similarity because I felt like it might be necessary. > [@](#): > > The game wasn’t completely hopeless and he should have been competing until that was undeniable. They were down 18 points with 6:30 left. For an exhausted team against a team that good - one that kicked their asses in games three, four, and five - yes, that’s unwinnable. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/112 "2014-06-17T20:41:33Z")
The largest lead that Miami had was I believe 22-6 in the first quarter. From that point until halfway through the 4th, San Antonio was up by what, 35? Not one other player even showed up for Miami - how many shots did Wade miss within 8 feet? It felt like at least half a dozen. Meanwhile, how many Spurs were clicking? Every damn one. The odds of any sort of a comeback in that time (and place, most importantly) are practically at nil. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/113 "2014-06-17T20:51:41Z")
To bring the discussion back to the topic, I think Lebron’s legacy does take a hit if Carmelo joins him. There is a sense of fair play that many fans feel but can’t quite define that diminishes a person if they hop onto the back of someone’s coattails and ride them to a win. Like it or not, Lebron would be seen as doing that with Carmelo (while Carmelo would be seen as the same). If they win, it’ll be forgotten by most people, but there will always be a bit of doubt that you can’t erase, and those who believe it aren’t completely crazy or unreasonable for doing so Yes, I was a huge Lebron hater. Still don’t like him that much, but I don’t hate him anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/114 "2014-06-17T20:53:47Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > There is a sense of fair play that many fans feel but can’t quite define that diminishes a person if they hop onto the back of someone’s coattails and ride them to a win. Like it or not, Lebron would be seen as doing that with Carmelo LeBron just won two championships without him, so that’d be awfully stupid. ---
**Author:** ![chicagowhitesox1173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@chicagowhitesox1173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chicagowhitesox1173)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/115 "2014-06-17T21:29:44Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > LeBron just won two championships without him, so that’d be awfully stupid. Yeah but to only win two championships with that team is a big failure. Yeah I know Lebron and his coach are yapping about how they’ve gone to the finals 4 straight years but even they know, they failed. One thing I do know is that the East is not as good as the West and the only reason Lebron has made it to the finals four years in a row is because he plays in the East. In my opinion Lebron James has no heart. Maybe it’s not a big deal to sit out the final 7 minutes of a finals game when your down so much but a legend doesn’t sit down, a legend at least trys. So in retrospect by getting a player like Carmelo Anthony proves even more how heartless he is. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/116 "2014-06-17T21:41:48Z")
This thread is really eye opening. I now know that Larry Bird looks worse because the Celtics got Robert Parrish and Bill Walton. And Isaiah looks worse because the Pistons got Mark Aguire. And Hakeem Olajuwan looks worse because the Rockets got Clyde Drexler and Charles Barkley. And Jordan looks worse because the Bulls got Dennis Rodman. And Kobe looks worse because the Lakers got Gary Payton and Karl Malone. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/117 "2014-06-17T21:47:03Z")
> [@chicagowhitesox1173](#): > > Yeah but to only win two championships with that team is a big failure. If you say so. Hey, have you noticed that whenever LeBron does something you say it doesn’t really count and when he doesn’t do something you say it’s a huge deal? I’m not saying it makes you look utterly biased, but, um, it does. > [@](#): > > In my opinion Lebron James has no heart. Once again, your opinion is wrong and without merit or logic. Note the two championships and four MVPs. > [@](#): > > Maybe it’s not a big deal to sit out the final 7 minutes of a finals game when your down so much but a legend doesn’t sit down, a legend at least trys. He did try. He was the only reason they were in that game in the first place. By the way, [Shaq got pulled in pretty much the same situation in the 2004 finals](http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200406150DET.html). [Here’s Durant (and Westbrook) getting pulled in similar circumstances in the 2012 Finals.](http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/201206210MIA.html#q4) The list goes on, but get real. ---
**Author:** ![chicagowhitesox1173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@chicagowhitesox1173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chicagowhitesox1173)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/119 "2014-06-17T22:03:52Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > If you say so. Hey, have you noticed that whenever LeBron does something you say it doesn’t really count and when he doesn’t do something you say it’s a huge deal? I’m not saying it makes you look utterly biased, but, um, it does. > > Once again, your opinion is wrong and without merit or logic. Note the two championships and four MVPs. > > He did try. He was the only reason they were in that game in the first place. By the way, [Shaq got pulled in pretty much the same situation in the 2004 finals](http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/200406150DET.html). [Here’s Durant (and Westbrook) getting pulled in similar circumstances in the 2012 Finals.](http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/201206210MIA.html#q4) The list goes on, but get real. Durant and Westbrook left the game when they were 22 points down with around 4 minutes left to play and Shaq left the game with only 3 minutes left to play. I’m assuming Shaq sat down because he needed a rest. The Lakers were only down by 10 when he sat. I’m not going to hide my dislike for Lebron James, I dislike him so much that, I won’t draft him in fantasy basketball. He chokes in that too. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/120 "2014-06-17T22:13:38Z")
> [@chicagowhitesox1173](#): > > Durant and Westbrook left the game when they were 22 points down with around 4 minutes left to play But a legend doesn’t sit down! > [@](#): > > Shaq left the game with only 3 minutes left to play. I’m assuming Shaq sat down because he needed a rest. The Lakers were only down by 10 when he sat. There was 5:38 left and they were down 24, but wouldn’t it have been _worse_ if it happened your way? > [@](#): > > I’m not going to hide my dislike for Lebron James, I dislike him so much that, I won’t draft him in fantasy basketball. He chokes in that too. I guess that would be fine if your criticisms of the guy made any sense, but they don’t. They’re a jumble of rants and mistakes and nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![chicagowhitesox1173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@chicagowhitesox1173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chicagowhitesox1173)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/121 "2014-06-17T22:13:40Z")
> [@Jandana](#): > > No you said that you thought Henry Hill was cool, therefore the actions that he did that I listed you must also think were cool. Man up and take responsibilty for what you write and the reaction that will get. Whether or not I like Goodfellas is immaterial, you are saying that you approval of men beating their wives and mistresses and of murdering people by shoving red hot pokers in their buttholes. > > As for you and Lebron, you are everything wrong about sports and sports fans today. You are the reason I stopped cheering for any team in any sport nearly 20 years ago, and why I stopped going to sporting events. > > You claim to have many, many, many, many stories of how HORRIBLE a person Lebron James is. > > Fine. > > Let’s see them. > > One thing this board seems to pride itself on is people backing up their claims with evidence, even though much of it seems to revolve around Wikipedia, but whatever, that’s not for this thread. > > other posters have claimed he is cheap or a bad tipper. ZOMG!!! Not That!!! You mean to say that rich/mega rich person is a bad tipper??!! Why I’ve never heard such a thing, except about a bajillion times. Rich people are known for being cheap and lousy tippers because newsflash, that’s one of the ways they stay rich. > > About James going to Miami, I am curious as to why you are LYING and trying to rewrite history and make it seem as if James was the impetus and was the one who instigated the whole thing. > > It was not. > > Dwayne Wade was the one who broached the idea to James and Bosh during practice for the Olympics, and James brushed him off the first couple times. > > Now other posters have gone on and on and on about how horrible Jordan was because he got into a fight and punched Steve Kerr during a Bulls practice. They ignore the following facts: > > Kerr had been elbowing and punching Jordan in the stomach every time Jordan drove by him to the basket or when Jordan went up for a jumper, even after Jordan told him politely at first, then in a KNOCK IT THE FUCK OFF kind of way to stop. When Kerr didn’t, Jordan punched him. But as news reports and interviews with Kerr from the day show, he wasn’t angry at Jordan at all, he understood what had happened and why. > > I am curious as to why Jordan is singled out as if he is the only athlete in all of professional sports to get in a fight with a teammate. > > Don Sutton got in a fight with a Dodger teammate, IIRC it was Steve Garvey back in the late 1970’s and it was all over Sports Illustrated. > > After JFK’s assassination and Rozelle’s announcement that the NFL would play it’s games that weekend two teammates on one team I can’t recall which one got in such a violent disagreement one for playing, one against that they both ended up in the hospital after they fought. > > Bill Lambier and Rick Mahorn got into half a dozen knock down drag out fights after Mahorn showed up 60 pounds overweight to the Piston and refused to get into shape. > > Lambier and Isaiah Thomas got in a couple of fights during their time together the last of which left Thomas with a broken hand. > > Billy Martin got in several fights with Reggie Jackson when he was managing the Yankees. > > As for James sitting out the last 6 minutes or whatever of game 5, he left the game because Spolestra decided to take him out. Of course if James had refused to come out and he and Spolestra had gotten into a shouting match or whatever you’d be all, “See James was showing up his coach. A REAL TOUGH guy TEAM PLAYER like Bird or Johnson would NEVER do that!” > > Right, the same Magic Johnson that sulked and pouted and whined and acted like a blubbing crybbay wussy who was menstruating all the time who demanded either he get traded or Paul Westhead get fired. Yup, that Magic Johnson he was TEAM PLAYER all right. > > But back to James sitting out ie; quitting, how come you get all over James ass for doing this yet say nothing about Peyton Manning quitting during Super Bowl LVIII? And spare me all of the “But, but he was up against the best defense ever!!” > > No, the 200o Ravens were all watching the game on tv. > > Why did Manning wussy out in the biggest most important game of the goddamn season. I mean it’s not like he hadn’t come back against worst odds and better defenses, like when he came back from 28 down against the defending Super Bowl champion Buccaneers and their Best Ever defense. [Colts 38-35 Buccaneers (Oct 6, 2003) Game Recap - ESPN](http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=231006027) Jesus Christ man, can I get this book you wrote in paper or hardcover? Actually I never knew the story about Steve Kerr though. On the Goodfellas thing, I was watching the movie and I always thought those guys were pretty cool in the movie. I guess not so much anymore after hearing they used a hot rod in some guys butthole. ---
**Author:** ![chicagowhitesox1173](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/46a35a/32.png) [@chicagowhitesox1173](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chicagowhitesox1173)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2014, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681/122 "2014-06-17T22:16:58Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > But a legend doesn’t sit down! > > There was 5:38 left and they were down 24, but wouldn’t it have been _worse_ if it happened your way? Durant and Westbrook aren’t legends. They are not held in the same regards as Lebron either. I guess I can see why Lebron would sit. If I was in his situation, I probably would be the same way. I can’t really hold that against him. I was just curious on why he sat. I thought maybe he cramped up again…Although I doubt Michael Jordan would have come out of the game. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-lebron-james-look-even-worse-if-carmelo-anthony-joins-heat/690681.md?page=7)