# Does Madonna (the singer) look more and more like an old whore? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 19, 2011, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431 "2011-11-19T09:07:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/81 "2011-11-20T06:48:21Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > I’m still waiting for **Lynn Bodoni** to provide a cite to support her statement that Madonna was well-known for trolling for underage boys. In **Lynn Bodoni** ’s defense, most citable articles on the intenet only date back to 1995 and later; these stories about Madonna and her gal pals cruising in a limo for teenaged Latino boys date back to the late 80s. I recall seeing it in a magazine interview with Debi Mazur from around that period; since I don’t hoard all my magazines from decades ago, that’s about as specific as I can get, cite-wise. If you have kept all your back issues of **Playboy, Penthouse, Esquire, Dirt, Details** and **Rolling Stone** from that era, my hat’s off to you. You’ll be able to provide a more specific cite than I. You also might be Michael Richards or Maury Chaykin from [Unstrung Heroes](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114798/), though. The staff of _Hoarders_ will be in touch with you shortly. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/82 "2011-11-20T06:49:05Z")
Why are people reading so much into the “old whore” description, anyway? She’s objectively speaking old (above the median human age, and certainly above the median age for whores), and she herself admits that she’s in the business of selling sex-- Didn’t she once call herself a “super-slut” in an interview? Put those two points together, and it makes her an old whore. Is there a problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/83 "2011-11-20T06:54:47Z")
Because the connotations of whore and old when it’s coupled with whore are derogatory. The opening poster is not saying she looks like an old whore because she’s passed the midpoint of the average human lifespan and because she has received money for sexualizing herself. He’s calling her that because he’s attempting to sling mud at someone who has attained a level of fame and fortune that he feels she’s unworthy of. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/84 "2011-11-20T07:49:29Z")
Not to mention she doesn’t literally sell her body. If she’s a whore, then so is every other popular performer in this country. And the bottom line is that it’s pretty pathetic that in 2011 we’re still hearing the same tired shit about women. It doesn’t seem to matter who it is, or if a woman acts “slutty” or not, there are still going to be people who don’t like her calling her slut, whore, etc. I’ve heard Taylor Swift called a slut because she’s publicly dated a few guys. And she’s about as sweet and innocent as it gets when it comes to pop stars. ---
**Author:** ![Suil\_Dubh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@Suil\_Dubh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suil_Dubh)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/85 "2011-11-20T11:27:08Z")
Back in the early 90’s I was reading a clubbing / rave magazine. In it there was a column on the New York scene and write-up about a new club that opened up. There were photos of the various celebrities who appeared, and Madonna was one of them. The caption under her very unflattering photo was: “Who let this ugly homeless man in… OH! It’s Madonna” Ha ha ha. I still laugh when I remember that. Oh, those wacky clubsters. That being said, the photo in the OP is not a bad one at all, and I don’t think Madonna is a whore, and I do think the original poster is jealous, or has a weird chip on their shoulder, or something. It seems that no one has asked Lynn “Club the Gay Baby Seals” Bodoni for a cite yet, so let me be the first one to do so. Lynn do you have a cite for that? ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/86 "2011-11-20T15:49:08Z")
[![](http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/madonnasex/040.jpg) ](http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/madonnasex/040.jpg) Well, if this truly is an excerpt of Madonna’s “Sex” book, then it’s pretty damning. How young does someone have to be in order to not have pubic hair yet? ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/87 "2011-11-20T15:52:48Z")
It’s an insult to say the former Mrs Penn looks like an old whore. Whores don’t deserve that kind of ridicule. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/88 "2011-11-20T16:26:02Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Most people get softer, and kinder, as they age. I just wanted to note that I have found the opposite to be the case: I have never known \*anyone \*to get softer or kinder as they age. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/89 "2011-11-20T16:28:06Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > [http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/madonnasex/040.jpg](http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/madonnasex/040.jpg) > > Well, if this truly is an excerpt of Madonna’s “Sex” book, then it’s pretty damning. How young does someone have to be in order to not have pubic hair yet? Shaved. Plus, I’m pretty sure it’s a fictional account as she describes him as “probably a virgin” yet also says he gave her crabs. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/90 "2011-11-20T16:51:48Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Shaved. > > Plus, I’m pretty sure it’s a fictional account as she describes him as “probably a virgin” yet also says he gave her crabs. I didn’t know you needed to have sex before you could make Crab Rangoo. . .. Ooooh wait. . . nevermind. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/91 "2011-11-20T17:18:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Because the connotations of whore and old when it’s coupled with whore are derogatory. Well, then, it’s those connotations that we should be objecting to, no? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/92 "2011-11-20T17:28:24Z")
I don’t perceive the difference in what you are proposing. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/93 "2011-11-20T18:01:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Why are people reading so much into the “old whore” description, anyway? She’s objectively speaking old (above the median human age, and certainly above the median age for whores), and she herself admits that she’s in the business of selling sex-- Didn’t she once call herself a “super-slut” in an interview? Put those two points together, and it makes her an old whore. Is there a problem with that? My big problem with the OP is that Madonna does not look like an old whore in that picture. There are pictures out there of Madonna looking gaunt and stony-- like she’s had a life of being ridden hard and put away wet. She may be at an age where a whore is considered old and she may even have whore’d out her body for all I know but she does not look like an old whore (see picture I linked to for an example of what a real old whore looks like). So it is my conclusion that the OP was talking out its ass when it said that Madonna looks like an old whore. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/94 "2011-11-20T18:21:58Z")
I believe that Brazilian model Jesus Luiz was 22 when he hooked up with Madonna. There are several videos on youtube, showing Madonna and Jesus (naked). So there is some foundation for this. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/95 "2011-11-20T18:32:13Z")
But saying Madonna has had sex with a 22-year-old man is COMPLETELY different from saying she routinely had sex with underage boys. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/96 "2011-11-20T18:37:18Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > But saying Madonna has had sex with a 22-year-old man is COMPLETELY different from saying she routinely had sex with underage boys. And saying that Madonna had sex with Jesus is just plain WRONG!!! ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/97 "2011-11-20T18:39:34Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I believe that Brazilian model Jesus Luiz was 22 when he hooked up with Madonna. > There are several videos on youtube, showing Madonna and Jesus (naked). > So there is some foundation for this. 22 is not an “underage boy.” ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/98 "2011-11-20T18:42:41Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > But saying Madonna has had sex with a 22-year-old man is COMPLETELY different from saying she routinely had sex with underage boys. > [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > And saying that Madonna had sex with Jesus is just plain WRONG!!! Depends on how old Jesus was. Are you people pissing on Madonna the sames one who defend Woody Allen? ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/99 "2011-11-20T19:00:14Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Shaved. > > Plus, I’m pretty sure it’s a fictional account as she describes him as “probably a virgin” yet also says he gave her crabs. I haven’t read the book; how old does she claim to be when she had her way with this guy? Besides, that description is a far cry from **Lynn Bodini’s** claim. > [@](#): > > I consider Madonna a whore (in the common usage, though she’s technically not a prostitute to my knowledge)/slut ever since I heard about her habit of cruising in her limo, finding much younger boys, and inviting them into the limo for sex. I’d find this behavior similarly repellant in a man. And I don’t care if someone is famous or not, I think that this sort of behavior deserves to be called out. Still no cites for anything remotely resembling this claim, so I’m still calling bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431/100 "2011-11-20T19:07:57Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > I haven’t read the book; how old does she claim to be when she had her way with this guy? I haven’t read the book, but in that excerpt, I don’t see an indication of her age at the time of that incident. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-madonna-the-singer-look-more-and-more-like-an-old-whore/603431.md?page=6)