# Does mathematics underpin the universe?

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**Created:** [October 10, 2003, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-mathematics-underpin-the-universe/206660 "2003-10-10T12:52:04Z")\
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**Author:** ![Iamthat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Iamthat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iamthat)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2003, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-mathematics-underpin-the-universe/206660/81 "2003-10-17T18:44:54Z")

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\*Originally posted by \ ***Milum**

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> If we forget human orientation and the human bias against distance, are there two entities in this universe or just one?

There’s no such thing as a singularity unless all things are one.

There is:

The contents  
The universe  
The awareness

Which may all be one and the same.

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**Author:** ![Milum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Milum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Milum)\
**Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-mathematics-underpin-the-universe/206660/82 "2003-10-18T16:01:32Z")

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## **Iamthat**  **There’s no such thing as a singularity unless all things are one. There is: The contents The universe The awareness \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_Which may all be one and the same.**

Ok **Iamthat** please allow me to semantically dissect the rather loose grouping of related word-associations that you wrote above…

**There is no such thing as a singularity unless all things are one.**

This sentence has no imformation content. The term “singularity” is mostly used to describe the essence of a black hole. If you mean an all-encompassing “singularity” then the sense of your sentence reads…

_There is no such thing as one unless all things are one._

## At best your wording is Zen-mystic, at worse, poorly put.

## **There is: ---------\> The contents ---------------\> The universe --------------------\> The awareness Which may all be one and the same.**

The contents of the Universe\*\* is\*\* the Universe, and is of course, therefore “one”.  
This leaves “awareness” which may all be one in the same, but so what.

The term "awareness"as used in your assembly of words simply says that "awareness is “nothing” thinking. And while this might be true in some ultimate trandcendent way, the concept as presented here is meaningless. Don’t you think?

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