# Does May Day actually commemorate the birth of the Illuminati? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [October 3, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287 "2003-10-03T07:19:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![GENDY69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/278dde/32.png) [@GENDY69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GENDY69)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/1 "2003-10-03T07:19:59Z")
The celebration of may 1st is in fact 2 commemorate the completion of the comunist manifesto. (russia May 1, 1776). strangly this date (1776) appears on the american dollar (underneath the the pyramid with the all seeing eye) which also strangly was the symbol of the illuminatti, hmm. maybe theres more to this than meets the eye. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/2 "2003-10-03T08:13:02Z")
Welcome to the SDMB, **GENDY69**. Link to the article referred: [Does May Day actually commemorate the birth of the Illuminati?](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_043.html) ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/3 "2003-10-03T08:55:09Z")
"Hooray, hooray, the first of May! outside… ok maybe I should not lower the tone. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/4 "2003-10-03T09:28:45Z")
Well, there’s Cecil’s take on [Is the dollar bill’s eye-on-a-pyramid the symbol of a secret society?](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_022.html) to consider. And, uh – where do you get May 1 1776 as “the completion of the comunist manifesto”? According to [this site](http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/classics/manifesto.html) that was 1848. They hadn’t even had the French Revolution in 1776. I do take it you’re pulling our collective leg, here. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GENDY69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/278dde/32.png) [@GENDY69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GENDY69)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/5 "2003-10-03T10:10:35Z")
Maybe im wrong about the year, im not too sure. i just read stuff then throw it away… ill try to back track find the paper i read…(post a link to it) but still fact remains mayday is to commemorate the completion of the comunist manifesto. ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/6 "2003-10-03T10:34:50Z")
Oh, I think it is Confuse-a-Celyn day, because, it is not too clear whether the OP is a question or a statement. There is the question * * * > [@](#): > > Re: Does May Day actually commemorate the birth of the Illuminati? [/i\*\* and the statement * * * > [@](#): > > but still fact remains mayday is to commemorate the completion of the comunist manifesto. [/i\*\* btw “The Communist Manifesto” **was** published in 1848. ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 10:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/7 "2003-10-03T10:40:05Z")
Aha. I wonder if this is the sort of site from which you obtained your infrmation, **Gendy69** [http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/julyaug02/julyaug02.htm](http://www.newswatchmagazine.org/julyaug02/julyaug02.htm) > [@](#): > > This is only two pages of the actual issue > > NEWSWATCH MAGAZINE > > A magazine making clear today’s news in the light of Bible Prophecy. > > … > > At about this time, an obscure intellectual by the name of Moses Mordecai Marx Levy, ALIAS Karl Marx, joined one of the branch organizations of the Illuminati Conspiracy known as the League of the Just. In 1847, he was hired to write what became known as the Communist Manifesto. Basically, it was a policy statement of their overall plans for the future. Marx was of such little importance that for the first twenty years after the publication of the Manifesto his name didn’t even appear on it. He was just a pawn in the “game” being played by the REAL POWERS behind the scenes. Honest historians have long recognized that the “Communist Manifesto” was a plagiarized rehash of the writings of Adam Weishaupt and his disciple Clinton Roosevelt. > > Karl Marx was hired to update the Communist Manifesto. > > … Oh there is more, but right now I have to hurry off and I hope to be back here soon. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/8 "2003-10-03T10:43:21Z")
From the page I linked to regarding the Communist Manifesto: > [@](#): > > The Communist Manifesto was first published in February 1848 in London. Engels wrote an 1890 edition on 1 May. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/9 "2003-10-03T10:58:11Z")
From [this page](http://workers.labor.net.au/51/c_historicalfeature_may.html) > [@](#): > > Our modern celebration of Mayday as a working class holiday developed from the US workers struggle for the eight hour day in 1886. The working class movement in the USA began campaigning for an eight hour day in the 1860s, following the Civil War. The historic strike of May 1st, 1886 was a culmination of a concerted struggle. > \ > On May 4th at a demonstration in Haymarket Square to protest the police brutality a bomb exploded in the middle of a crowd of police killing eight of them. > \ > In Paris in 1889 the International Working Men’s Association (the First International) declared May 1st an international working class holiday in commemoration of the Haymarket Martyrs. The red flag became the symbol of the blood of working class martyrs in their battle for workers rights. Sorry, it looks like the Marx-Engels bit of the legend was a late tack-on, **GENDY69**. ---
**Author:** ![GENDY69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/278dde/32.png) [@GENDY69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GENDY69)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/10 "2003-10-03T12:42:25Z")
Hey you guyz are good… RESPECT! I was initially making a statment about the reason for 1st may celebrations. (communist manifesto) but it seems to have curbed its way to the illuminati. the rest of the communist community may beleive they are celebrating 1st may because of the revolutionary movement but in reality that day was set because it was the birth of the League of communists (illuminati) . CHECK this linx out: [http://www.benabraham.com/html/illuminati\_-\_4a.html](http://www.benabraham.com/html/illuminati_-_4a.html) I just read something in the linx above that shocked me alittle, and peiced it together with a picture of washington DC that i saw several months ago, “all Communists use the “Pentagram” (five pointed star) as one of their insigia” go dig out some pictures of the layout of washington DC (look closly) lemme know what u think. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/11 "2003-10-03T13:00:24Z")
> [@](#): > > I just read something in the linx above that shocked me alittle, and peiced it together with a picture of washington DC that i saw several months ago, > > “all Communists use the “Pentagram” (five pointed star) as one of their insigia” Along with ancient Egyptians, pagans, satanists, folk of Jewish faith, New Agers who like the pretty shape in their crystals … **GENDY69** , some advice mate: extend your reading beyond conspiracy sites, all right? What they’re imparting is bull. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/12 "2003-10-03T13:05:03Z")
Aargh, it’s late, and I can’t count. Sorry, the Star of David has _six_ points. Ugh. :smack: BUT – add onto that list badges like those for some law enforcement agencies. ---
**Author:** ![APB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@APB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/APB)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/13 "2003-10-03T16:08:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by GENDY69 \* > **…the rest of the communist community may beleive they are celebrating 1st may because of the revolutionary movement but in reality that day was set because it was the birth of the League of communists (illuminati).** But that assumes that there was some connection between the Illuminati and the League of the Just. Every other website that peddles versions of this theory confidently assert that they were indeed connected, but, you know what, it takes more than confident assertions to prove anything. How about some actual evidence showing that a link - any link - existed? Without this, your theory is worthless. Then there is the related claim that Marx derived/plagiarised the contents of _The Communist Manifesto_ from Weishaupt and Roosevelt. If this is so obvious, why does no one ever give examples? In any case, just because they might have had similar ideas doesn’t, of itself, prove much. Idealistic, utopian, anarchistic atheists and freethinkers could just as easily have come to similar conclusions independantly of each other. Is there any evidence that Marx had even heard of Weishaupt and Roosevelt? ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/14 "2003-10-03T16:16:27Z")
Well, I reckon we should be wondering about Marx’s old mate **Engels** too. I mean, there has to be some reason for this name so closely resembling the German “Engel” for “angel”, hasn’t there? Oh, there _must_ be some conspiracy theory that covers this conundrum too. Surely. Oh NOOOOOO - I just sliced into a nice healthy apple and there seems to be a 5-pointed pattern inside. Spooky or what? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GENDY69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/278dde/32.png) [@GENDY69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GENDY69)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/15 "2003-10-03T19:00:18Z")
Whooooohahahahaha You know you have to learn to think outside the box, think outside the box think outside the box (or atleast have a peek out) You cant dismiss everything that cant be proven 100% or because its not all over mainstream news (theres no smoke without heat) history is writen by the winners. creepy logo and Latin slogan “Knowledge is Power”, [http://www.c0balt.com/resources/websites/iao/Home.htm](http://www.c0balt.com/resources/websites/iao/Home.htm) Im sure you have read many papers on the illuminatti ,and what their goal, aim was/is, self elected one world goverment, centralized power total hemonogy… ask yourself who has that aim today?! anws: the bush administration and the neoconservatives. read the following [http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/7112547p-8060159c.html](http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/7112547p-8060159c.html) now read the folowing … Does this sound familiar?" [http://www.c0balt.com/resources/terror/terror.shtml](http://www.c0balt.com/resources/terror/terror.shtml) link to hitler and the reickstg burning Your probably thinking this guy is a total conspiracy nut… lol its ok i dont mind… but i do challenge you to download this documentary (911 the road to tyranny) And after watching this you still think im a kook well thats just fine. [http://www.c0balt.com/resources/911/download.shtml](http://www.c0balt.com/resources/911/download.shtml) road to tyranny linx ill finish with a cherry unauthorized biography of bush Senior (PDF) [http://www.c0balt.com/resources/bushbook/bushb.htm](http://www.c0balt.com/resources/bushbook/bushb.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/16 "2003-10-03T19:23:36Z")
The messageboard forums for that c0balt site you put up links for has the cheery motto of: > [@](#): > > Making tin-foil hats fashionable since 2002! Have you ever thought that the websites you put a lot of faith in for their veracity are actually stuff back-written to fit “conspiracy theory” to real events? Going back to the reason for this thread, and the title – you’d need to provide solid, irrefutable proof about the Illuminati having anything to do with stuff like May Day, the communists etc. etc. The weird patterns in urban maps is about as convincing as what the streaks of water on a window pane in the rain add up to. ---
**Author:** ![DreadCthulhu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/db5fbb/32.png) [@DreadCthulhu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DreadCthulhu)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/17 "2003-10-03T23:22:59Z")
No, of course not. fnord. ---
**Author:** ![MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bb73d2/32.png) [@MC\_Master\_of\_Ceremonies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MC_Master_of_Ceremonies)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/18 "2003-10-04T13:59:50Z")
The communist manifesto was produced in 1848 in London, England by Messrs Marx and Engels. May Day is an ancient festival in the UK probably with pagan roots. ---
**Author:** ![GENDY69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/278dde/32.png) [@GENDY69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GENDY69)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/19 "2003-10-04T18:19:08Z")
The may day of england you refere too dates back to the 14th century which makes it a totaly different celebration. 400 years out. ---
**Author:** ![Ice\_Wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/dfb087/32.png) [@Ice\_Wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ice_Wolf)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287/20 "2003-10-04T20:01:18Z")
> [@](#): > > …Let the winds lift your banners from far lands > With a message of strife and of hope: > Raise the Maypole aloft with its garlands > That gathers your cause in its scope… > > …Stand fast, then, Oh Workers, your ground, > Together pull, strong and united: > Link your hands like a chain the world round, > If you will that your hopes be requited. From [The Workers Maypole](http://www.marxists.org/subject/mayday/). The first international workers demonstration was organised for May 1 1890. This was when Engels republished his version of the mainfesto (see my earlier posts) – and that’s why your friends, **GENDY69** , cottoned onto that “connection”. Sorry, no – it was an event already in place before someone decided to tack on another reprint of the manifesto. And it _is_ linked to the English “May Day” of old, this workers’ day, as **MC Master of Ceremonies** said. Were the Illuminati after an eight-hour day, and workers rights? Get real, mate. By believing in, and maintaining such complete twaddle you and those website authors you are fond of, are promoting bad history, whereby ordinary men who have changed the course of our times are forgotten beneath myths and half-truths such as your favourite conspiracy theory. That is a tragedy. And an injustice. Your theories are garbage, and interlaced with faulty research, hidden agendas, and a childlike insistence that silly stories which sound so much more interesting than _real_ history must be held onto, like a favourite teddy bear. It’s sad, really. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-may-day-actually-commemorate-the-birth-of-the-illuminati/205287.md?page=2)