The OP comes out of two years of hibernation to suggest an extraordinary claim with absolutely no evidence. And, while skeptical, everyone is showing far more restraint in point out the problems with this idea than they did when Trump suggested the same thing in 2020. Let me be a little less tactful. Please show any evidence of this, and I’ll start taking this claim seriously.
It’s time to take all the arguments that were used in 2020 and just rehash them from the opposing side.
- Precincts use many different voting methods. You can’t hack them all simultaneously. This is what Biden voters said to Trump election-deniers in 2020.
- Too many people would have to be in the know for this to be kept secret. You can’t get hundreds or thousands of people to all stay silent or not get caught. Too much would be exposed and found. This is what Biden voters said to Trump election-deniers in 2020.
- How do you explain that not just one or a few, but over 1,000, counties in America, shifted from blue to red?
- If Trump could steal it in 2024, then why didn’t he do so in 2020?
From the Ballotpedia.org link I posted above (provided again below for reference) only one state, Louisiana, used only direct recording electronic (DRE) systems and is not equipped with Voter-Verified Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT) printers. All other states use some combination of hand-marked optical scan (primarily for mail-in ballots), electrical ballot-marking devices (BMDs), and DREs, many with concurrent auditing during the election process to demonstrate voting integrity. Even in states where a party has tried to weaken the impartiality of voting systems it is actually pretty difficult to come in and wholesale dump votes at a statewide level just because there is so much scrutiny on elections and statistical analysis that would highlight large deviations in expected values between district composition and the vote talley.
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You can’t gerrymander a presidential election. Those are statewide contests.
….And which states are these? States like Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, which already all went for him once before in 2016?
One of the arguments that Democrats keep trying to shield behind as a claim that somehow the elections were rigged because Democratic candidates keep losing in historically ‘safe’ states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, or West Virginia, instead of acknowledging that the impact of their policies and lack of fielding or backing candidates who were actually interested in the problems faced by the voters of those states are what caused a political seismic shift. It is interesting that virtually all of the Democrats who have managed to win in those states are also the ones most critical of the DNC and what its pro-corporate, neoliberal economic policies that ignored the average middle class and labor voters have done to people in those states. That, in combination to basically abandoning the bulwark on all ‘culture wars’ issues because they couldn’t figure out a way to sell that being respectful to people is a positive quality, is why Donald Trump is President, why both houses of Congress are dominated by pro-Trump and MAGA-compliant Republicans, and why the Supreme Court is no longer a serious impediment to the desire to institute the ‘Unitary Executive Theory’. Trump’s populism aided by Fox News and social media-disseminated Russian paid propaganda certainly helped fan the flames of discontent, but hey, let’s all blame Comey for bringing up Hillary Clinton’s illegal email server for all of our problems because that makes it easy to blame all problems on one guy instead of decades of institutional neglect and perfidy in search of campaign finance.
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Usually, whenever Trump makes an accusation (rigged election!1!!11) it’s something he’s guilty of doing. In this case I think it stems from insecurity and denial. He can’t accept the results of the 2020 election because his emotional growth ended somewhere around age nine.
Maybe that’s the difference between Republicans and Democrats. If a Republican loses, it must be fraud! If a Democrat loses, oh, yeah, I guess we do kinda suck.
Biden holding out for so long before stepping down is really the most obvious factor I can think of. I know so many people who voted for Trump I really don’t doubt the results of that election. They are horrifying, but almost certainly accurate.
It didn’t help but frankly the lack of a clear successor to Biden was a real problem. Kamala was not a good candidate, and she’d been largely sidelined in the Biden Administration (presumably because there wasn’t much confidence in her leadership abilities), and doing an end run around the primary process plus a lack of distinction between the issues that were hurting Biden and what Kamala would do instead (punctuated by her appearance on The View where she said “Not a thing comes to mind,” that she would do differently even though her staff had prepared a long list of talking points about her policy approaches) really caused Harris to undermine her own campaign. Even with that, she pulled in more votes than Obama (both times) and Hillary Clinton, so it wasn’t as if there was no appetite to vote for a Democratic successor (or at least against another term with Trump).
I think the reality is that a lot of people were not only angry and frustrated at being told how great the economy was even though they were still suffering because the inflated value of the stock market didn’t do anything to make energy cheaper or put food on their table, but also about being generally abandoned by both parties and despite having previously been in office Trump is still viewed as an ‘outsider’ to American poitics who talks ‘straight’ (if completely garbled) and expressed their anger in his personal grievances. The DNC and the talking heads on CNN and MSNBC completely glossed over that in their ‘analysis’. Add to that the ‘culture wars’ bonfire that Fox News and Newt Gingrich have been stoking for decades and it is no surprise that people were willing to elevate an avowed dictator (“Only on Day One,” he claimed) over someone who mouthed the same sloppy political slogans that they’ve been fed by mainline Democrats; you know, the ones who dislike Elizabeth Warren for grilling CEOs, submarined Katie Porter’s bid for the Senate, and who now refused to endorse Zohran Mamdami for the NYC mayor’s contest even though their last favored candidate ended up being a Trump-hugging corrupt-as-fuck asshole so they decided to go with Andrew Cuomo this go-around for more of the same.
The Democratic party has been sliding rightward since Bill Clinton and is basically more conservative than Richard Nixon, ignoring labor, minorities, the disaffected Millennials drowning in a lifetime of inescapable college debt, corporate malfeasance that they supported in order to get that sweet campaign financing, and a general attitude of self-entitlement most explicitly evidenced by her obtuse “Stronger Together” slogan. (It could have been worse; they almost went with “Because It’s Her Turn,” which I’m sure felt justified after eight years of propping her husband up and cleaning after his mistakes but isn’t a selling point to the people who got sold out because of it.) They really need to bring something different to the table if they want broad popular support, and I don’t mean by synthesizing a “Liberal Joe Rogan” or just sardonically aping Trump as Gavin Newsom has done (after months of trying to suck up to Trump), which is an act that will only go so far and then it will run right off a cliff.
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There are indirect benefits. As an example, a red state can disallow mail-in voting, which is thought to benefit Democrats. Which is why Republicans fight it so hard.
The 2020 election opened up a big chasm between the parties in the use of mail-in ballots; 58% of Democrats voted by mail, compared to 29% of Republicans.
I’m with you. Trump improved across the board compared to 2020. He won bigger in deep red small states like Wyoming, in red big states like Texas, small blue states like Vermont, big blue states like California, swing states, and any other combination you care to consider. This wasn’t due to lots of vote counters from all over the US flipping votes from Harris to Trump. It was because the voters themselves flipped.
If someone wants to call the reasons those voters flipped cheating, then there’s room for argument. But Trump didn’t cheat by rigging the counting of the vote.
That isn’t gerrymandering; that is voter suppression.
Stranger
If Trump wins I will absolutely agree with you because the Constitution says he can’t be elected more than twice. 
Furthermore, the swing states swung less than the rest of the country. The popular vote moved much more than the median electoral vote. The biggest shifts to Trump were in places where it was totally useless. These supposed cheaters were evidently stuffing ballots in Queens but they were so lazy in Wisconsin they couldn’t even get Trump above 50%?
You say that like the people elected and sworn to defend and uphold the constitution care.
Lindsey Graham supports Donald Trump for third term in 2028
South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) says he would like to see President Trump run for a third term in 2028, even though the 22nd Amendment limits a president to serving two terms.
“Trump 2028. I hope this never ends,” Graham told Fox News host Sean Hannity late Tuesday.
Nonetheless, I’m sorry but I have to entirely agree with @Alessan. Show me some proof - any proof of electoral fraud in the 2024 election other than you don’t think he should have won or you’re no better than TFG or Mike Lindell regarding the 2020 election. You are peddling a conspiracy with absolutely no basis in fact. Much as it disgusts me, the country elected TFG to a second term in a free and fair election.
What do you mean he didn’t get caught? He did get caught. There’s a recording of him calling Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on January 2, 2021 and telling him to “find 11,780 votes”. That was Donald Trump, on record, trying to commit election fraud and steal an election.
We also know he made numerous other telephone calls to election officials in other states but we don’t have recordings of what was said during those.
So we know that Trump is guilty of election fraud in the 2020 election. The only question is whether he was also guilty of election fraud in the 2016 and 2024 elections.
It was the 2024 election that was under discussion.
Actually, there is a study that purports to show the possibility that the 2024 election could have been rigged. To be honest, I don’t quite understand the methodology or the graphs that he shows, but he seems sincere and objective and the research is ongoing. The group behind this has their own web site.
Demonstrating that a person committed a crime when they were in a situation is part of the discussion of whether they would commit that crime when they were in the same situation on a different occasion.
Shortly after the 2024 election, someone on the news was mentioning ballots where the only vote entered was for the presidency, with no vote for legislative officials or ballot initiatives. I think they were called “cannonball ballots”. Per the report, 2024 had an unusually high proportion of such ballots, maybe 4-5% instead of the usual 1%. (Sorry, I don’t have a reference.)
If true, does it indicate fraud? People who didn’t show up at the polling station and whose ballot was filled in by someone else at the end of the day? Or just actual voters going “I don’t care about politics, but I wanna make sure that there girl don’t end up in that there Oval Office ‘cause Great Replacement”?