Well, they’re federal employees, but they’re not members of the civil service. In most legislation, “federal employee” is taken to mean members of the civil service. For example, the above-mentioned 5 USC § 7301 provides:
The president, vice president, and all their appointed underlings are federal employees, but not members of that group.
I doubt it. However, what would happen if they refused. It isn’t like their boss is going to fire them…
I am going with no.
There’s no settled answer here, but I think the answer is no. Article II, section 4 says that the President “shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of” one of the listed offenses. That sounds like removal is mandatory.
No it didn’t, my ass is still out of work, as is my roommate, and several friends of mine who also lost their job the same day I did [and from the same company.]
If the bailouts had worked, where are the jobs?
eta: I’m not commenting on ‘whether the bailout worked’ just responding to the factual inquiry as to where jobs may be.
People on this board often used to note that “the plural of anecdote is not data.” I wish we still did that.
He never actually said that.
It’s only a minority of federal employees that are regularly drug-tested. There are several categories of employees that are tested, the largest being employees with security clearances:
For anyone whose curiosity may have been provoked, the verb impeach comes from the French empêcher, now meaning to prevent but originally meaning to snare or prosecute, from the Latin impedicare, from pedica, a fetter, from pes, foot.
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Let’s not hijack this into a debate on the bailout. If you want to discuss that, please open a thread in GD. Please stick to the question of whether the president and other high office holders are subject to drug testing.
Captain Midnight, I also note that political jabs are not permitted in GQ (for the reason that they lead to the kind of hijack that has been taking place in this thread). No warning issued, but don’t do this again.
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As far as I understand neither the president nor the members of Congress (and other elected bodies) are government employees. They are elected officials.
IME, “required” drug testing always has a work-around. When my brother was in (a situation where drug testing became a requirement) he was given 45 day notice prior to each “random” test. He was considered necessary, and so that was the way it was handled.
I accepted a job years ago and only after starting the job was I told there was mandatory random pee checks. I was outraged and told my boss no thanks. After much discussion between the higher-ups things were “smoothed out”. I had to submit a single sample at my leisure, after which the “random generator” would, for some reason, never choose me again.
These two anecdotal situations suggest, to me anyway, that the President could achieve a similar work around.
Nebraska. We’re sitting on a 4.6% unemployment rate.
I refers to the process of adding peaches to a dish or recipe.
A bowl of cereal to which sliced peaches has been added has been impeached.
Adding sliced pears to a dish is called “impairment”.
No, it’s a constitutional office. Elected officials are not federal employees.
One of the interesting things about the Constitution is that it’s fairly vague on what constitutes grounds for impeachment (“Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors”). In essence, anything is grounds for impeachment if you can get enough Congresspeople to vote for it. You would not get the necessary votes over something as minor as smoking pot.
Here’s a good resource for more info: http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/SPECIALREPORTS/impeachment.html
kayaker writes:
> When my brother was in (a situation where drug testing became a
> requirement) he was given 45 day notice prior to each “random” test.
That’s not the case for federal jobs for which drug testing is required (which are, as I said, mostly jobs which require security clearances). You’re told as soon as you come in on the day on which you are randomly chosen that you should report to a particular office. There you give them a urine sample.
^^ I can say no more…
I believe that you are correct, but since the President, V.P., Congress and The Supreme Court are paid by Federal tax dollars, how does this not make them Federal employees?
What about the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Do they pee or not (in a cup)?
You seem unusually interested in discussing grown men peeing.