# Does Overturning an Election equate to Overthrowing the Government? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2023, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986 "2023-04-20T19:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/63 "2023-04-20T22:06:40Z")
> [@Uncommon\_Sense](#): > > No, not a gotcha. Would you say that someone who dies in police custody because of a stroke that it’s the cops fault for arresting them? Unfortunately, he probably had a pre-exinsting health condition. If someone has a pre-existing health condition, and you do something to trigger that health condition while you are in the process of committing a crime, yeah, you absolutely bear legal and moral authority for what happens to that person. This is a pretty well established legal principle: the [Eggshell Skull](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull) rule. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/64 "2023-04-20T22:06:49Z")
Hey, you know how conservatives keep on wanting to go back to the 50s? Remember, in the 50s, we elected as President the leader of the largest violent antifa organization in the world. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/65 "2023-04-20T22:07:45Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > WTF? I mean, isn’t this sort of rationalization covered by, say, the age of 12? “If they jumped off the Empire State Building , would you jump too?” was my grandmother’s counter to this sort of “but they did it too!” ‘logic’. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/66 "2023-04-20T22:26:57Z")
Everything else already having been thoroughly answered/debunked, I’ll just tackle this one. > [@Uncommon\_Sense](#): > > A suspension of the results could have taken place for very good reasons. Name some. Name even one. There were no “very good reasons” to suspend the results. A large number of courts, at all levels, including Republican judges, had already said so. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/67 "2023-04-20T22:37:33Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Name even one. “No fair, we want a do-over.” ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/68 "2023-04-20T22:48:41Z")
> [@Uncommon\_Sense](#): > > I think Trump shit himself when he saw the capitol upside down and thought “this ain’t good…” He knew a small violent uprising would not work (it would probably get him killed), Nope, not even close. > **[Trump 'Gleefully' Watched TV on Jan. 6 and 'Did Nothing': Adam Kinzinger](https://www.newsweek.com/trump-gleefully-watched-tv-jan-6-did-nothing-adam-kinzinger-1715034)** > > The GOP congressman said Sunday that "the only person in charge that made those calls" to the National Guard was Vice President Mike Pence. > **[Analysis | What Donald Trump has said about the Capitol rioters](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/22/what-donald-trump-has-said-about-capitol-rioters/)** > > For the last two weeks of his presidency, he offered prepared remarks of condemnation. Everything since has been sympathetic. ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/69 "2023-04-20T23:23:19Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Everything else already having been thoroughly answered/debunked, I’ll just tackle this one. > > > [@Uncommon\_Sense](#): > > > > A suspension of the results could have taken place for very good reasons. > > Name some. > > Name even one. > > There were no “very good reasons” to suspend the results. A large number of courts, at all levels, including Republican judges, had already said so. No, I just meant that whatever counting/ratifying was going on in the catpitol at the time be suspended until danger passed. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/70 "2023-04-20T23:28:50Z")
> [@Uncommon\_Sense](#): > > No, I just meant that whatever counting/ratifying was going on in the catpitol at the time be suspended until danger passed. You really think if Donald Trump could have gotten the certification delayed, he’d ever allow it to go forward again? Please. “Suspending democratic processes until the emergency is over,” is a text book authoritarian power grab. It’s literally how Hitler ended up in control of Germany. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/71 "2023-04-20T23:35:01Z")
> [@Uncommon\_Sense](#): > > No, I just meant that whatever counting/ratifying was going on in the catpitol at the time be suspended until danger passed. The House only needed one day. By January 7th they would have acted. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/72 "2023-04-20T23:38:07Z")
@Uncommon_Sense : I think you’d benefit from taking a few minutes and learning more about the “alternate slate of electors” strategy and how 1/6 was intended to trigger it: > **[Timeline: False Alternate Slate of Electors Scheme, Donald Trump and His...](https://www.justsecurity.org/81939/timeline-false-alternate-slate-of-electors-scheme-donald-trump-and-his-close-associates/)** > > The most comprehensive factual record available of Donald Trump and his close associates coordination of the false electors scheme. And, yeah: while the Capitol was under siege, TFG was eating burgers, watching the carnage unfold on Fox News, and trying to get Republican Senators on the phone to convince them to help you overthrow a legitimate election. As I said upthread, it’s a really untenable position – based on the facts – that this wasn’t a frank coup attempt. May I ask, in sincerity, if you watched any of the 1/6 Hearings? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/73 "2023-04-21T00:19:29Z")
There are no questions in this thread that you haven’t asked before, there are no points you haven’t made before, and there are no evidence-based responses that you haven’t heard before. I don’t care for this remake of “Groundhogs Day”. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/74 "2023-04-21T00:40:15Z")
OK, let’s put it this way: What would an attempt to overthrow the government look like? In what way would it be different? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/75 "2023-04-21T00:41:34Z")
> [@Uncommon\_Sense](#): > > I just meant that whatever counting/ratifying was going on in the catpitol at the time be suspended until danger passed Which it was. It kind of had to be, as a mob trying to lynch some of the people engaged in the proceedings had succeeded in breaking into the building. And then the procedure was started again, as soon as sufficient forces of law had removed the immediate danger to the lives of the Congress; which latter was delayed by Trump’s refusal to act, but he didn’t manage to prevent it altogether, or delay it until after the appointed day for the job. Were you suggesting that they should have waited until nobody was angry any longer? Glad that you’ve acknowledged that danger existed. > [@Miller](#): > > “Suspending democratic processes until the emergency is over,” is a text book authoritarian power grab. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/76 "2023-04-21T01:39:01Z")
Attempts to use the BLM protests as an excuse for the insurrection are asinine. The BLM protests were about trying to get the police to stop murdering people of color, the insurrection was an attempt to overthrow the government. Joe Biden was duly elected and the incoming head of government- to interfere with this transfer of power was seditious conspiracy. Pretending that BLM protests were worse and that no Capitol Police were killed or injured is willful ignorance of the facts. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/77 "2023-04-21T02:11:06Z")
This thread is closed pending review. Don’t expect it to be reopened in P&E. Too many issues and flags. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-overturning-an-election-equate-to-overthrowing-the-government/982986/78 "2023-04-21T02:11:10Z")
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