# Does Sanders have appeal beyond white liberals **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 27, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017 "2015-08-27T03:27:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/21 "2015-08-29T15:35:05Z")
Nobody remembers him from his days in the balcony on the Muppets? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/22 "2015-08-29T15:40:04Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Maybe if he’d have served in the armed forces and attained the rank of, I don’t know, Colonel, maybe he’d have better name recognition around the country? I don’t get it. Is this a KFC reference? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/23 "2015-08-29T16:13:26Z")
Anecdotal: I saw a video from the rally in L.A. where a Republican said he would vote for Bernie Sanders because ‘He’s the only Conservative running this year.’ There’s an organisation called Vets for Bernie. A USMC vet said, ‘Show me politicians who say they “Support the Troops” and I’ll show you a mile-long list of Republicans who have voted to screw us over. Bernie has a 100% rating on voting for veterans. As a lifelong registered Republican, I’m disgusted with the current party. I’ll gladly vote for Bernie over any of those loons.’ Both of these guys are White. I don’t know their level of education. But they’re not Liberals. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/24 "2015-08-29T16:35:18Z")
It’s possible that black voters remember what things like minimum wage laws were originally intended to do. That is keep blacks from competing with whites by accepting a lower wage. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/25 "2015-08-29T16:43:51Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > It’s possible that black voters remember what things like minimum wage laws were originally intended to do. That is keep blacks from competing with whites by accepting a lower wage. Can you provide some background on that? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/26 "2015-08-29T16:46:09Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > It’s possible that black voters remember what things like minimum wage laws were originally intended to do. That is keep blacks from competing with whites by accepting a lower wage. [Franklin Roosevelt’s Statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act, June 16, 1933](http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html) > [@](#): > > The law I have just signed was passed to put people back to work, to let them buy more of the products of farms and factories and start our business at a living rate again. > > \ > > In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By “business” I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/27 "2015-08-29T16:53:13Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > It’s possible that black voters remember what things like minimum wage laws were originally intended to do. That is keep blacks from competing with whites by accepting a lower wage. I’m sure many blacks remember days when the best they could hope to get were starvation wages, and are grateful that the federal government put a stop to that. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/28 "2015-08-29T18:17:24Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > [Franklin Roosevelt’s Statement on the National Industrial Recovery Act, June 16, 1933](http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html) You do realize that the NIRA was unconstitutional, right? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/29 "2015-08-29T18:32:51Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Does Sanders have a lot of appeal to minorities, the disadvantaged, Reagan democrats, etc? Deion Sanders, or Colonel Sanders? ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/30 "2015-08-29T19:04:24Z")
what Johnny LA said [vets for Bernie](http://vetsforbernie.org/what-vets-say-about-bernie/) and, of course, anyone who knows what the important issues are and where he stands on them! ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/31 "2015-08-29T20:34:45Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Can you expand on this, I am confused by what you mean. > > There are a lot of apathetic democrats, that is why the GOP is putting up roadblocks to voting. The harder it is to vote, the fewer apathetic voters who will turn out. > > However it seems like what Sanders lacks with them is name recognition. Sanders may not be able to win them over with his track record or his stance on the issues, but if he can get name recognition he should expand his voting base. > > Plus considering that white liberals are 1/3 to up to 1/2 of the democratic primary electorate, that alone will give him a boost. Plus if he can get unions on his side that could push him over 50% in the primary. The more apathetic voters will just go along with whomever the party nominates. I think you get my message pretty well. I just didn’t use the term “apathetic voters.” I think of them as party machine voters. And they are not part of the online groundswell around Sanders. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/32 "2015-08-29T20:46:06Z")
Edit limit expired, I’ll just add that lo-info Dem voters are heavily female - and besides being a woman, Hillary targets women, and does it with simple messages. Sanders I think has women’s issues at heart, but he is poorly positioned for any but educated women to buy in. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/33 "2015-08-29T21:09:18Z")
It’s overly-simplistic to say that Sanders can’t win because the machine doesn’t support him. The only reason the machine is currently supporting Clinton instead of Sanders is because of the perception that she has a better chance of winning. If that perception shifts, then so will the machine’s support. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/34 "2015-08-29T21:18:46Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > You do realize that the NIRA was unconstitutional, right? According to the reactionary Supreme Court, yes. Too bad the court-packing scheme by FDR didn’t succeed smh. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/35 "2015-08-29T21:23:07Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Cornel West Supports Sanders. I think it remains to be seen if a significant black vote follows. But it is pretty interesting that a #BlackLivesMatter leader is backing Sanders. Bernie listened to his hecklers and made some adjustments to his platform. In contrast, Trump throws out his detractors (Ramos) > > [http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/cornel-west-issues-extensive-statement-as-to-why-he-supports-bernie-sanders/](http://ringoffireradio.com/2015/08/cornel-west-issues-extensive-statement-as-to-why-he-supports-bernie-sanders/) I’d be surprised if even 1 in 10 black voters have heard of Cornel West, much less base their vote off of his endorsement as opposed to say that of President Obama’s. I mean if Thomas Sowell endorsed (say) Ted Cruz, I doubt people would be saying Cruz has won the black vote as a result. As a Sanders supporter, I find the contrast between Sanders and Trump’s handling of the hecklers most disfavourable to the former. Moral nilhists who practice terrorist/hostage-taker logic and were not even part of the BLM movement deserve to be ignored and kicked out, not appeased undermining Sanders’s appearance of strength. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/36 "2015-08-29T21:50:11Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > According to the reactionary Supreme Court, yes. Too bad the court-packing scheme by FDR didn’t succeed smh. The Court was unanimous. And I don’t think anyone considers Justice Brandeis to be a reactionary. In any case, the Court’s view is the only one that matters; certainly the views of bored teens on the internet can be dismissed with prejudice. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/37 "2015-08-29T22:22:31Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > In any case, the Court’s view is the only one that matters; certainly the views of bored teens on the internet can be dismissed with prejudice. Looking at posts per day he’s slightly less bored than you, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/38 "2015-08-29T23:41:53Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > The Court was unanimous. And I don’t think anyone considers Justice Brandeis to be a reactionary. > > In any case, the Court’s view is the only one that matters; certainly the views of bored teens on the internet can be dismissed with prejudice. How exactly does a posters presumed age make their opinions something to be dismissed so readily? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/39 "2015-08-29T23:55:14Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Looking at posts per day he’s slightly less bored than you, buddy. Let’s keep it from becoming personal, please. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017/40 "2015-08-29T23:58:48Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Let’s keep it from becoming personal, please. You mean like dismissing someone’s opinion because they are merely "a bored teenager "? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-sanders-have-appeal-beyond-white-liberals/729017.md?page=3)