# Does "Stop Here on Red" also mean "No Turn on Red"? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 29, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-stop-here-on-red-also-mean-no-turn-on-red/764422 "2016-08-29T18:26:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-stop-here-on-red-also-mean-no-turn-on-red/764422/21 "2016-08-30T01:05:48Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > The NJ Vehicle code is Title 39 of the NJ statutes. See [link](http://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=432239&depth=2&expandheadings=off&headingswithhits=on&infobase=statutes.nfo&softpage=TOC_Frame_Pg42) > > They’re not real easy to navigate. The best I was able to come up was this [link](http://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=430686&Depth=2&depth=2&expandheadings=on&headingswithhits=on&hitsperheading=on&infobase=statutes.nfo&record=%7BF42B%7D&softpage=Doc_Frame_PG42) for right turns at intersections controlled by lights, and this [link](http://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=430686&Depth=2&depth=2&expandheadings=on&headingswithhits=on&hitsperheading=on&infobase=statutes.nfo&record=%7BF4C6%7D&softpage=Document42) for intersections controlled by signs. > > Both say you can turn right against a stop light signal or sign after stopping & ensuring it’s safe to continue. No mention of an “except where a ‘stop here on red’ sign is posted.” > > My vote (as somebody who has never lived in NJ and only rarely driven there) is that “stop here on red” does NOT imply “no turn on red.” > If you get pulled over for trying this, be sure to tell Officer Friendly that some random dude on the internet assured you it was OK. Then shout your defiance over the Officer’s ignorance using lots of foul language. It’ll work out fine. I assure you. 😃 Yes you are correct. 39:4-115 governs right turns on red. A sign saying stop here on red is the same as the broad white stop line at an intersection. You come to a complete stop then if there is no sign prohibiting it you can proceed to make a right turn on red. Although I haven’t done traffic enforcement in a while the statute hasn’t changed. ---
**Author:** ![JohnGalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johngalt/32/184_2.png) [@JohnGalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnGalt)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-stop-here-on-red-also-mean-no-turn-on-red/764422/22 "2016-08-30T02:52:26Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > In some states, left on red is OK, when the cross street is one-way. I was a teenage driver in South Dakota when they joined the rest of the world and allowed Right Turn on Red (after a stop). In fact, in my small one-light town, I drove around the block a few times until it was just after midnight (according the the radio station) so I could be the first person in town to turn right on red. Such excitement! Anyway, at that time the only place where there were two one-way streets were a left turn on red would make sense was one intersection in Sioux Falls. The law was written so it was allowed by state law, but the city of Sioux Falls put up a No Left Turn on Red sign. Buggers! ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-stop-here-on-red-also-mean-no-turn-on-red/764422/23 "2016-08-30T03:25:03Z")
The “stop here on red” sign augments the white line. It helps you see something that’s sort of hard to see over your hood, especially when there’s snow on the ground. It’s like how they put arrows on the ground in a turn lane but they also put them on a sign. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-stop-here-on-red-also-mean-no-turn-on-red/764422/24 "2016-08-30T03:38:03Z")
The key part of that statement is the word “here.” Stopping on red is what you already do. So it must be marking the point where you must stop. I don’t get why anyone would think it meant “No right on red.” Now, maybe if you didn’t have to stop to turn right, it would mean “you must stop first.” But you don’t. Any idea where your dad got this idea? ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-stop-here-on-red-also-mean-no-turn-on-red/764422/25 "2016-08-30T04:24:21Z")
“Stop here on red” means “stop here on red, then proceed if it’s legal/safe to do so.” It has nothing to do with “No turn on red.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-stop-here-on-red-also-mean-no-turn-on-red/764422.md?page=1)