# Does the Germany/Japan postwar occupation (changing attitude) model always work? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 21, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-germany-japan-postwar-occupation-changing-attitude-model-always-work/782714 "2017-03-21T20:53:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-germany-japan-postwar-occupation-changing-attitude-model-always-work/782714/21 "2017-03-31T23:51:30Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Of course it can. Those areas where Islam is predominant were something other than Islamic before Islam arrived. Same with Christianity. Not all of these changes were voluntary. Iraq and Afghanistan could have been turned into secular democracies given a long enough governorship to remove the affects of religion and tribalism to an extent where what was left wouldn’t jeopardize what had been changed. Completely apples and oranges. Telecommunications has changed everything. There is no longer a way to isolate ideas and inoculate populations from them. Religions and tribalism are here to stay because their ideas appeal to people and the philosophies can be spread online. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-germany-japan-postwar-occupation-changing-attitude-model-always-work/782714/22 "2017-04-01T00:39:36Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Completely apples and oranges. Telecommunications has changed everything. There is no longer a way to isolate ideas and inoculate populations from them. Religions and tribalism are here to stay because their ideas appeal to people and the philosophies can be spread online. Telecommunications promotes tribalism? I’m not suggesting to isolate ideas, which is what religion does, but to allow them to flourish. No religious based schools. No separation of the sexes. No religious attire at school or in work settings. Schools that teach thinking and questioning rather than rote learning. Do this long enough, and across all of society, and few would want to go back to the stone age. Or are you suggesting that Muslims can never be brought into the modern age? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2017, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-germany-japan-postwar-occupation-changing-attitude-model-always-work/782714/23 "2017-04-01T02:16:54Z")
But your solution is quite authoritarian. I would allow all the philosophies the right to exist but ensure that no one can use force to shut down schools of thought. Then some sort if intellectual evolution should separate the wheat from the chaff. When we silence thought we keep it alive. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2017, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-germany-japan-postwar-occupation-changing-attitude-model-always-work/782714/24 "2017-04-01T05:13:41Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > But your solution is quite authoritarian. And? People need structure and security. Full fledged democracy isn’t something that can last without an educated population who know better than voting in the theocrats and dictators. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-germany-japan-postwar-occupation-changing-attitude-model-always-work/782714.md?page=1)