# Does the NRA do anything good? (not sarcastic) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 3, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996 "2019-04-03T20:06:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/21 "2019-04-04T06:03:11Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > Paywall… Sorry Sorry about that! Worked for me… ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/22 "2019-04-04T06:39:09Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Are you arguing that education is bad? I’m not really arguing. I’m stating an actual fact that getting kids to memorize “Stop, don’t touch. Run away and tell a grown-up.” is a far worse option than the large variety of safe storage methods in existence. The NRA wants you to believe otherwise. [Hell, the courses don’t even actually work.(PDF)](https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/687239.pdf). > [@GAO-17-665](#): > > Our literature review identified four additional studies that were not directly related to safe storage, but evaluated efforts to educate children on how to respond if they encounter an unsecured firearm. > > … > > All four studies found that behavioral skills training did not instill consistent safe firearm habits in young children. Cable locks, trigger locks, lock boxes and safes might have issues, but they at least have the potential to keep guns out of a kid’s hand. Are you arguing that Eddie Eagle is safer than trigger locks? ---
**Author:** ![senoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@senoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/senoy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/23 "2019-04-04T12:38:03Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > a.k.a. “Fudds”. As in “you can ban everything else and place every restriction on firearms ownership and carry, as long as we can still have bolt-action deer rifles and single-shot shotguns”. Pretty much what gun control advocates wish gun ownership could be reduced to in America. It’s a fundamentally different outlook on what guns are. ‘Fudds’ as you derogatorily call them view firearms as tools. They are necessary implements with which to procure food, protect crops and protect and/or euthanise livestock. They are more familiar with what guns actually do and what they don’t. As such, they are able to objectively see the need for regulation. Why would you want people to have unsafe tools? Why would you want people to have tools that don’t do the job correctly? It doesn’t make sense to them. To them, a gun is no different than a circular saw. Of course, people should have a right to own a circular saw, but should they have a right to own a circular saw attached to a drone that spins around at high speeds randomly ejecting saw blades? Doesn’t make much sense to them. They see these suburban and urban gun owners running around through the woods pretending to be Rambo and to them it’s simply a dangerous situation. They’re using tools unfit for the job that provide the capability for serious injury to the user and the people around them and to them that’s simply stupidity. Of course they reason that the government has the right to regulate stupidity. If you’re taking a semi-automatic .223 with a 30 round clip into the woods to shoot a deer, you’re nuts. It’s an undersized round and it encourages sloppy and dangerous follow-up shots. It’s all nice and all that you think that you and your drinking buddies are going to use your ARs for when the gubmint comes for you, but in the real world, you’re putting other hunters in danger and you’re torturing the animals you’re hunting for the sake of what is essentially a useless right. We’re well-aware of what a bunch of people who rise against a modern military with small arms look like - corpses. So guns rights activists are making the woods more dangerous basically for the right to pretend to be soldiers on weekends at a target range. To us, that’s just dumb. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/24 "2019-04-04T12:47:56Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > And I will ask for a cite on this. Thanks in advance… > [@Isamu](#): > > "…last year that the FBI was looking into allegations that Torshin and other Russians may have improperly funneled Russian funds into NRA coffers as part of its record setting $30m in pro-Trump spending. > > The NRA has stated it did not spend any foreign funds in the elections, which would be illegal, and said it only received about $2,500 from Russian sources for non-electoral purposes in the 2016 cycle. > > Still, Russia intelligence veterans say Torshin’s work with Butina bears hallmarks of a Kremlin operation that targeted the NRA – and had some success." > [NRA in crisis: how the gun group became ensnared in the Russia inquiry | NRA | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/01/nra-russia-investigations-gun-lobby) > > Admittedly, they’ve only owned-up to a little bit of Russian funding. But I think there was more. Once the FBI finds something besides legal membership dues, let’s talk. > [@DMC](#): > > I’m not really arguing. I’m stating an actual fact that getting kids to memorize “Stop, don’t touch. Run away and tell a grown-up.” is a far worse option than the large variety of safe storage methods in existence. The NRA wants you to believe otherwise. [Hell, the courses don’t even actually work.(PDF)](https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/687239.pdf). > > Cable locks, trigger locks, lock boxes and safes might have issues, but they at least have the potential to keep guns out of a kid’s hand. Are you arguing that Eddie Eagle is safer than trigger locks? I dont think you get the point, The EE program isn’t just for if you find a gun at home. It’s for kids who find a gun on the street, at a playground, the mall etc, perhaps where “safe storage” practices might not have been employed by a criminal ditching a potential murder weapon. In those cases, teaching kids not to touch guns they find sure seems prudent to me. It’s about the situation at the moment not whether the “adult” took care of the gun properly. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/25 "2019-04-04T12:52:27Z")
“Good” is in the eye of the beholder. They are the front organization for the arms dealers of America, and their job is to use propaganda and political pressure to create a society where there are as many guns sold as humanly possible. How one feels about that determines whether or not the NRA does anything “good”. . ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/26 "2019-04-04T13:12:53Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > I’m not really arguing. I’m stating an actual fact that getting kids to memorize “Stop, don’t touch. Run away and tell a grown-up.” is a far worse option than the large variety of safe storage methods in existence. The NRA wants you to believe otherwise. [Hell, the courses don’t even actually work.(PDF)](https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/687239.pdf). > > Cable locks, trigger locks, lock boxes and safes might have issues, but they at least have the potential to keep guns out of a kid’s hand. Are you arguing that Eddie Eagle is safer than trigger locks? Where I end up. All my kids are educated in gun safety. The safe only works until the kids find themselves in a situation where they find or need to handle a gun. In that case, gun safety is quite a bit more important than the safe. If you don’t own guns your kids will likely never be trained in gun safety. Sometimes that may be detrimental, even unsafe. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/27 "2019-04-04T14:45:35Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > … Are you arguing that Eddie Eagle is safer than trigger locks? I think both have their place. For example, someone who owns a pool would be wise to put a fence around it, but that only secures the one body of water. Their kids would also benefit from swimming lessons in case they encounter other bodies of water that are not secured. Eddie Eagle is like swimming lessons. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/28 "2019-04-04T20:49:27Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I think both have their place. For example, someone who owns a pool would be wise to put a fence around it, but that only secures the one body of water. Their kids would also benefit from swimming lessons in case they encounter other bodies of water that are not secured. Eddie Eagle is like swimming lessons. I completely agree with everything you said in this post. The problem is that the NRA uses the education aspect as a tool to fight against laws regarding the safe storage aspect, i.e. the laws requiring a fence around the pool. Since the claim was that it was a “good”, I completely disagree that the Eddie Eagle program is a anything but a smokescreen. You want the swimming lessons and the fence, awesome. You put together subpar swimming lessons as an excuse to fight fence regulations, not so good. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/29 "2019-04-04T20:55:09Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > Where I end up. All my kids are educated in gun safety. The safe only works until the kids find themselves in a situation where they find or need to handle a gun. > > In that case, gun safety is quite a bit more important than the safe. > If you don’t own guns your kids will likely never be trained in gun safety. Sometimes that may be detrimental, even unsafe. The Eddie Eagle programming that I’ve watched has clearly been developed with young children in mind. How many five year olds should we be training to properly shoot and otherwise handle guns? Again, I’ve never said that gun education isn’t important for some people. I’m simply stating that it doesn’t eliminate the need for proper storage. The NRA seems to disagree with me. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/30 "2019-04-04T20:58:52Z")
> [@senoy](#): > > It’s a fundamentally different outlook on what guns are. ‘Fudds’ as you derogatorily call them view firearms as tools. They are necessary implements with which to procure food, protect crops and protect and/or euthanise livestock. They are more familiar with what guns actually do and what they don’t. As such, they are able to objectively see the need for regulation. Why would you want people to have unsafe tools? Why would you want people to have tools that don’t do the job correctly? It doesn’t make sense to them. To them, a gun is no different than a circular saw. Of course, people should have a right to own a circular saw, but should they have a right to own a circular saw attached to a drone that spins around at high speeds randomly ejecting saw blades? Doesn’t make much sense to them. > > They see these suburban and urban gun owners running around through the woods pretending to be Rambo and to them it’s simply a dangerous situation. They’re using tools unfit for the job that provide the capability for serious injury to the user and the people around them and to them that’s simply stupidity. Of course they reason that the government has the right to regulate stupidity. If you’re taking a semi-automatic .223 with a 30 round clip into the woods to shoot a deer, you’re nuts. It’s an undersized round and it encourages sloppy and dangerous follow-up shots. It’s all nice and all that you think that you and your drinking buddies are going to use your ARs for when the gubmint comes for you, but in the real world, you’re putting other hunters in danger and you’re torturing the animals you’re hunting for the sake of what is essentially a useless right. We’re well-aware of what a bunch of people who rise against a modern military with small arms look like - corpses. So guns rights activists are making the woods more dangerous basically for the right to pretend to be soldiers on weekends at a target range. To us, that’s just dumb. Your post presumes that shooting animals is the only legitimate use of guns. I am unapologetic for saying that on mercifully rare occasions, shooting someone dead is the right thing to do- or more commonly being credibly prepared to shoot someone dead. Firearms are the best possible deterrent against violent attack, and the best possible way to stop violent attack if deterrence fails. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/31 "2019-04-05T14:29:56Z")
> [@](#): > > Firearms are the best possible deterrent against violent attack Actually you are not correct, many studies have shown that the best form of deterrence is the certainty of being apprehended, and you may be surprised to know that the length of sentence itself is not as great a deterrent as you might imagine. Personal experience of criminals - which merely amounts to anecdotes on my part - seems to confirm this but please bear in mind that I have been in contact with hundreds of offenders. I have had exchanges with prisoners who have stated that they would change their offence of choice based upon the next potential conviction if caught again but its noteworthy that they do not state they are going to give up on offending. > **[DNA\_Denmark.pdf](https://jenniferdoleac.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/DNA_Denmark.pdf)** > > 1200.78 KB [https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deterrence-in-Criminal-Justice.pdf](https://www.sentencingproject.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Deterrence-in-Criminal-Justice.pdf) > [@](#): > > Research to date generally indicates that increases in the certainty of punishment, as opposed to the severity of punishment, are more likely to produce deterrent benefits > **[Crime Despite Punishment](https://undark.org/2016/05/16/deterrence-punishments-dont-reduce-crime/)** > > After decades of research, there's little evidence to suggest that that the threat of prison, or even the death penalty, deters would-be criminals. > **[The myth behind long prison sentences](https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20180514-do-long-prison-sentences-deter-crime)** > > Does spending ‘100 years’ behind bars actually help deter crime? BBC Future explores the impact of long prison sentences, and looks at how Norway is taking an opposite approach. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/32 "2019-04-05T14:40:03Z")
> [@DMC](#): > > Again, I’ve never said that gun education isn’t important for some people. I’m simply stating that it doesn’t eliminate the need for proper storage. The NRA seems to disagree with me. [Given that the NRA sells gun safes](https://www.nrastore.com/accessories/home-and-office/nra-quick-access-pistol-boxes), I’m thinking that this is at best an oversimplification. (NOTE: I’m not in any way endorsing that merchandise, just pointing out that the NRA sells it on one of their websites.) ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/33 "2019-04-05T14:46:03Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > [Given that the NRA sells gun safes](https://www.nrastore.com/accessories/home-and-office/nra-quick-access-pistol-boxes), I’m thinking that this is at best an oversimplification. (NOTE: I’m not in any way endorsing that merchandise, just pointing out that the NRA sells it on one of their websites.) Yes, the NRA is about making money. Any way it can. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/34 "2019-04-05T15:26:02Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > [Given that the NRA sells gun safes](https://www.nrastore.com/accessories/home-and-office/nra-quick-access-pistol-boxes), I’m thinking that this is at best an oversimplification. (NOTE: I’m not in any way endorsing that merchandise, just pointing out that the NRA sells it on one of their websites.) Does the NRA post articles promoting the use of those safes over guns at the ready on/in bedstands and under pillows? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/35 "2019-04-05T15:43:01Z")
Genuine question: would it be fair to say that they sell gun safes to those who want them while opposing legislation that would \*\*require \*\*gun safes? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/36 "2019-04-05T15:54:13Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Genuine question: would it be fair to say that they sell gun safes to those who want them while opposing legislation that would \*\*require \*\*gun safes? That is probably fair but it also aligns with most republican/libertarian ideals so it makes sense. The requirement of anything that takes choice away is bad. Which is why the onus is on those who want such legislation to provide the evidence that taking away said choice/freedoms is a greater benefit to the general public. So far, they haven’t convinced enough folks that it is. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/37 "2019-04-05T19:38:52Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > [Given that the NRA sells gun safes](https://www.nrastore.com/accessories/home-and-office/nra-quick-access-pistol-boxes), I’m thinking that this is at best an oversimplification. (NOTE: I’m not in any way endorsing that merchandise, just pointing out that the NRA sells it on one of their websites.) Again, I’m saying that my problem is with the fact that they tout education while opposing storage laws, and in fact, use said education as the argument for why they fight the storage laws. > [@NRA](#): > > Rather than imposing ineffective laws, NRA believes education is the way to further reduce firearm-related accidents. Nationwide, NRA`s 46,000 Certified Instructors and Coaches train three-quarters of a million trainees each year. Separately, NRA`s award-winning “Eddie Eagle GunSafe®” education program for children in grades pre-K through 6th grade has reached nearly 17 million students nationwide. The key words I have an issue with are “Rather than…” A truly good (and isn’t that the point of this thread?) NRA quote would be more like: > [@Not the actual NRA](#): > > In addition to mandatory safe storage (which you can even purchase directly from us “Yay, Capitalism!”), NRA believes education is the way to further reduce firearm-related accidents. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/38 "2019-04-05T20:14:15Z")
> [@senoy](#): > > Yes. It’s important to note that there are really two NRAs. Prior to the 1970s, the NRA was largely dominated by hunters and sportsmen. It was largely rural in membership and politically neutral - it actually favored gun control prior to 1977 since hunters never felt the need for what we might call today assault weapons or the like and the NRA supported the Gun Control Act of 1968 because it protected hunting and target weapons. The NRA at this time was about promoting safety and marksmanship and functioned almost like a social club. Things from this era still exist. They do gun safety seminars, teach kids to handle weapons properly and be wary of them, they have a museum about the history of firearms, they sponsor shooting competitions for kids, encouraged protection of land and things of that nature. …’ Yes, the NRA was in favor of what we would call Mild Gun control. They also support the environment. I do want to point out that one reason for the NRA was getting surplus M1 rifles for their members (started out with Krags , then Springfields). The Garand today would be considered a “assault weapon” under some laws, and it is semi-auto. Any law that would ban the Garand would have had fierce fighting from the NRA. But these AR15 clones with bayonet lugs, suppressors, etc would be a pass. However, it also became clear to the members that the "gun grabbers’ wouldnt settle for anything but a comprehensive gun ban, such as in SF, DC, Chicago, where the attempt was made to ban all handguns. HCI strongly pushed for a ban on all handguns. "The Cincinnati Revolt’ was a reaction to this. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/39 "2019-04-05T20:18:34Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > a.k.a. “Fudds”. As in “you can ban everything else and place every restriction on firearms ownership and carry, as long as we can still have bolt-action deer rifles and single-shot shotguns”. Pretty much what gun control advocates wish gun ownership could be reduced to in America. > > By 1977 it was becoming evident that the end game of gun control was the abolishment of any right to possess firearms for self-defense, either personal or collective (beyond government-controlled police and troops). IOW, the frog finally started to notice how hot the water was getting. None of the provisions of the Bill of Rights confer an absolute libertarian immunity from government interference; but gun control advocates inflated this into “anything whatsoever can be _de facto_ banned by regulation”. … > > … Well, not quite, the fudds want semi-auto shotguns and rifles, not to mention handguns. But yes, they scorn the “survivalist nuts” with arsenals of AR15s, AK$&, 100 round magazines and the like. Yes, the "gun grabbers’ were their own worst enemy. More or less the created the modern NRA and other 2nd Ad groups. They forced SCOTUS to do Heller, where up to then more or less the court has passed on gun control laws. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996/40 "2019-04-05T20:22:09Z")
> [@Isamu](#): > > Yes, if you are a Russian, then the NRA (Russian-funded) is doing a good job of de-stabilizing the USA. Hardly. They got taken in by that women, just like the GOP did. They weren’t “funded” in any significant way:"…_$2,512.85 in contributions and membership dues “from people associated with Russian addresses” or known Russian nationals living in the United States from 2015 to the present."_ [https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/11/nra-russia-money-guns-516804](https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/11/nra-russia-money-guns-516804) That’s like $500 a year. Peanuts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-nra-do-anything-good-not-sarcastic/831996.md?page=3)