# Does the Republican Party have a case against Anti-Bush Groups? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 1, 2004, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803 "2004-04-01T22:16:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2004, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803/21 "2004-04-02T20:39:53Z")
To further the idea… do you want your democracy to be about big companies donating more money than individuals ? If they the Big Corporations give out more money than individuals, and these individuals can’t even bother to read newspapers and be informed… why bother ? ``` Lets business chose the presidents ? Democracy isn't bullet proof and steady if no one cares for it. The USA has way more civil rights defense groups and NGO's than any other country... but somehow politics is still pretty murky. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2004, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803/22 "2004-04-02T20:41:25Z")
Sorry PS -\> That is one of my pet peeves… in Brazil we barely have any groups to stand up for the consumers and civil rights. ---
**Author:** ![grib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/dbc845/32.png) [@grib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grib)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2004, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803/23 "2004-04-02T22:04:02Z")
> [@Rashak Mani](#): > > Even being anti-Bush I see these 527 groups as more representative than a few big money donors as regards the general population. > > ``` > Plugging these means that only big money will have a say in elections ? I like the idea of more people actively participating in elections and smaller groups have wider range of people in them. > > ``` 527’s are the big money, as in no maximum limit. They also seem to have lesser requrements on disclosing the names and locations of donors. [bushout.tv](http://www.bushout.tv/archives/199.html) has an overview, though the restrictions on 527’s they list are contradicted by thier own link to [gnossos.com](http://www.gnossos.com/webhelp/What_is_a_527_Organization_.htm)’s definiton. Personally I have always favored campaign finace reform that goes in the exact oposite direction and makes donations [secret](http://www.bostonreview.net/BR22.6/ayres.html) from everyone, most significantly the canidate you are attempting to buy. If Kerry wins then he’s going to owe [moveon.org](http://moveon.org) in a fairly big way, and [moveon.org](http://moveon.org) will owe some unknown(to us) major donors. This would seem to have defeated any point in limiting contributions to political parties. [Moveon.org](http://Moveon.org) makes claims to be more grass-roots than a typical 527, but if you wanted to make a small donation it’s far more useful to everyone if you just sent that money directly to Kerry. ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803/24 "2004-04-04T17:05:26Z")
Well maybe people want to go AGAINST Bush and not in FAVOR of Kerry ? [Moveon.org](http://Moveon.org) allows them a clearer choice ? Anyway these small groups probably use the money in a more focused and probably more efficient manner than a big campaign like Kerry or Bush. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2004, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803/25 "2004-04-04T18:37:21Z")
What makes you think these groups are smaller than the campaigns of the various politicians? Geoge Soros has vowed to use his wealth to bring down Bush. That’s one man’s opinion, but he can back it with ten times the money of the Bush and Kerry campaigns combined. Soros has already thrown $5 million dollars to one organization called “America Coming Together” dedicated to defeating Bush. That’s 2500 times the maximum personal contribution you can make directly to a campaign. ---
**Author:** ![theretsof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e8c25b/32.png) [@theretsof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theretsof)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803/26 "2004-04-05T04:55:30Z")
Soros has spent more money to defeat Bush than most of us. Now I’d like to hear your response to RTA’s post please. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803/27 "2004-04-05T05:56:05Z")
Does anyone truly believe there aren’t other well-monied billionares throwing money into the Bush re-election campaign? George Soros doesn’t exist in a vacuum, after all; at the veery least, he’s merely a long-overdue force to counterbalance a decade of right-wing support from [Richard M. Scaife.](http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/04/27/scaife.profile/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-republican-party-have-a-case-against-anti-bush-groups/237803.md?page=1)