# Does the SCOTUS ruling allow international companies to fund politicians **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [January 22, 2010, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965 "2010-01-22T04:47:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/1 "2010-01-22T04:47:24Z")
I know corporations and interest groups can already use 527s to fund pro or anti candidate ads. And my understanding is the new rules give them more freedom to be pro or anti certain candidates. But how does it apply to international corporations or front corporations? Can Citgo (which is based in Venezuela) fund candidates who take a soft line on Chavez? Can the Iranian government set up a front corporation in the US and use that to promote or combat certain politicians? How does this ruling change how international influences can affect elections? ---
**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/2 "2010-01-22T16:22:50Z")
The ruling does not allow corporations to fund candidates. Campaign contributions are still restricted. The ruling does allow corporations to say “We don’t like this guy, we urge you to vote against him”. This is plain political speech, and as such, should be protected (at least in my opinion). Mind you, this only applies to \*independent \*expenditures. A candidate cannot call up a CEO and say, “Hey, can you run an ad dumping on my opponent?” That is still forbidden. Of course, proving a quid pro quo would be very difficult, but I have a very hard time accepting that people (whether individually or banded together in a group, corporate or otherwise) can’t say what they think in the public arena. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/3 "2010-01-22T16:26:07Z")
But Citgo could, in theory, still spend six billion dollars on television ads and mass mailings and phone calls to promote their favorite candidate, couldn’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/4 "2010-01-22T17:24:39Z")
> [@BrotherCadfael](#): > > …I have a very hard time accepting that people (whether individually or banded together in a group, corporate or otherwise) can’t say what they think in the public arena. There are a lot of great arguments as to why not. However, that is a Great Debates thing which, as you might suspect, is [already going on there](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=547754). It is an interesting debate. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/5 "2010-01-22T17:35:44Z")
Are there laws prohibiting non-US-citizens from paying for political advertizements? If that’s not allowed, then I don’t see why foreign corporations would be able to get away with it. Conversely, if that is allowed, then I guess anything goes. ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/6 "2010-01-22T18:13:05Z")
[Federal Election Campaign Laws](http://www.fec.gov/law/feca/feca.pdf): > [@](#): > > **§ 441e. Contributions and donations by foreign nationals** > (a) Prohibition. It shall be unlawful for— > (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make— > (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election; > (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or > (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 304(f)(3)) (2 U.S.C. § 434(f)(3)); or > (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national. > (b) As used in this section, the term “foreign national” means— > (1) a foreign principal, as such term is defined by section 611(b) of title 22, except that the term “foreign national” shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States; or > (2) an individual who is not a citizen of the United States or a national of the United States (as defined in section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act) and who is not lawfully admitted 222 U.S.C. § 611(b) provides: “(b) The term “foreign principal” includes— (1) a government of a foreign country and a foreign political party; (2) a person outside of the United States, unless it is established that such person is an individual and a citizen of and domiciled within the United States, or that such person is not an individual and is organized under or created by the laws of the United States or of any State or other place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and has its principal place of business within the United States; and (3) a partnership, association, corporation, organization, or other combination of persons organized under the laws of or having its principal place of business in a foreign country.” ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/7 "2010-01-22T18:24:21Z")
> [@](#): > > (within the meaning of section 304(f)(3)) (2 U.S.C. § 434(f)(3)) This part seems essential to understanding what is forbidden here. What does it mean? ---
**Author:** ![Walloon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/fbc32d/32.png) [@Walloon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walloon)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/8 "2010-01-22T18:50:03Z")
**2 U.S.C. § 434(f)(3) Electioneering communication** ``` For purposes of this subsection — (A) In general (i) The term "electioneering communication" means any broadcast, cable, or satellite communication which — (I) refers to a clearly identified candidate for Federal office; (II) is made within — (aa) 60 days before a general, special, or runoff election for the office sought by the candidate; or (bb) 30 days before a primary or preference election, or a convention or caucus of a political party that has authority to nominate a candidate, for the office sought by the candidate; and (III) in the case of a communication which refers to a candidate for an office other than President or Vice President, is targeted to the relevant electorate. (ii) If clause (i) is held to be constitutionally insufficient by final judicial decision to support the regulation provided herein, then the term "electioneering communication" means any broadcast, cable, or satellite communication which promotes or supports a candidate for that office, or attacks or opposes a candidate for that office (regardless of whether the communication expressly advocates a vote for or against a candidate) and which also is suggestive of no plausible meaning other than an exhortation to vote for or against a specific candidate. Nothing in this subparagraph shall be construed to affect the interpretation or application of section 100.22(b) of title 11, Code of Federal Regulations. (B) Exceptions The term "electioneering communication" does not include — (i) a communication appearing in a news story, commentary, or editorial distributed through the facilities of any broadcasting station, unless such facilities are owned or controlled by any political party, political committee, or candidate; (ii) a communication which constitutes an expenditure or an independent expenditure under this Act; (iii) a communication which constitutes a candidate debate or forum conducted pursuant to regulations adopted by the Commission, or which solely promotes such a debate or forum and is made by or on behalf of the person sponsoring the debate or forum; or (iv) any other communication exempted under such regulations as the Commission may promulgate (consistent with the requirements of this paragraph) to ensure the appropriate implementation of this paragraph, except that under any such regulation a communication may not be exempted if it meets the requirements of this paragraph and is described in section 431(20)(A)(iii) of this title. (C) Targeting to relevant electorate For purposes of this paragraph, a communication which refers to a clearly identified candidate for Federal office is "targeted to the relevant electorate" if the communication can be received by 50,000 or more persons — (i) in the district the candidate seeks to represent, in the case of a candidate for Representative in, or Delegate or Resident Commissioner to, the Congress; or (ii) in the State the candidate seeks to represent, in the case of a candidate for Senator. ``` ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/9 "2010-01-22T19:04:15Z")
So a foreign corporation could fund a movie or a book to campaign for a particular politician: it’s only in the broadcasting media that they can’t fund “electioneering communications”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Philosopher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3ec8ea/32.png) [@The\_Great\_Philosopher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Philosopher)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2010, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-the-scotus-ruling-allow-international-companies-to-fund-politicians/525965/10 "2010-01-22T23:22:07Z")
A decent [article](http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2010/01/22/should-foreign-corporations-spend-money-on-u-s-political-candidates.aspx) on this: > [@](#): > > "Should Foreign Corporations Spend Money on U.S. Political Candidates? > Krista Gesaman > > Foreign businesses might be the real winners in Citizens United v. Federal Elections Commission, the landmark case that allows corporations and unions to spend limitless amounts of money on presidential and congressional political campaigns. A majority of large businesses are now owned by foreign entities, and this means international corporations could pour tons of money into the United States political scene, potentially swaying the political climate. > > The biggest questions with this ruling is the scope of the term “corporation,” says Edward Foley, law professor at the Ohio State University College of Law and director of the election-law program. Does the high court want this decision to apply to foreign corporations as well as domestic ones, he ponders? The truth is, the court didn’t make a decision one way or the other. > > Foley best explains the potential issues by talking about the electronic, video, and communication giant, Sony. The corporation is headquartered in Japan, but a large number of its shareholders reside in the United States. In fact, people can even buy and trade Sony’s stock on the New York Stock Exchange. The issue is whether this corporation, with strong ties to a foreign country and the United States, should be permitted to independently contribute money to presidential and congressional campaigns. > > The court sought to expand First Amendment protection for corporations, but did it really mean to promote the free flow of ideas from Russian or Chinese corporations, Foley asks? Justice John Paul Stevens focused on the same concerns in his dissenting opinion. The majority’s position “would appear to afford the same protection to multinational corporations controlled by foreigners as to individual Americans,” he writes. > > This afternoon, President Obama asked Congress to “develop a forceful response” to the ruling. But with Congress juggling so many other important issues, it’s unlikely that a change will be made in the immediate future. This could mean that foreign cash could be supporting political candidates in next year’s congressional midterm elections.