So this “paradigm shift” he’s signalling is the return of the Know Nothing Party? Because that works for me.
uh huh. That falls under the category of “those who can’t do, teach”. The national debt has doubled in 8 years. That’s not just a lack of accountability that would be a criminal act in the private sector.
Any fool can vote to spend other people’s money. Put multiple fools in the same room and they will spend money that doesn’t exist because now it’s a competitive sport.
Regretting those Bush tax cuts now, are you?
No I regret the democratic house and senate who can’t live within a budget. You’re putting the cart in front of the horse. But you knew that. Obama had both houses to himself for when he was elected.
Yeah, for five months, while the GOP did nothing but filibuster everything the Democrats proposed. Meanwhile, conservatives frittered away their six years of legislative majority with 57 votes to repeal Obamacare. I’d say blaming the Democrats for budget deficits is pretty weak sauce.
This is also my impression of Trump. Has any Trump apologist taken up the challenge to find 5 consecutive sensible sentences?
Sorry but your revision of history isn’t going to fly. The spending debacles known as the stimulus bill and Obama Care were created by and passed by Democrats.
Hereyou can see the increase in debt under Bush’s early years (Democrat controlled houses) and the decrease toward the end of his term. You can also see Obama’s increase in debt at the beginning of his term (Democrat controlled houses) and a decrease toward the end of his term.
I’d like to say it was purely the result of Republicans returning to both houses but sadly that is not true. Some of it is the result of oil revenues in the US which is of course not the result of Obama’s policies. We argued about this on this board years ago with people claiming it would not help the economy or our tax base. Common sense and the reality of increased drilling have proven that wrong.
Krugman agrees with him on economics. I would not consider him a Trump apologist, and he also finds him barely coherent. My point is that a serious, well thought out discussion about Trump cannot really occur if those against him slap poorly fitting labels on anyone who is not patently against him.
Thaaaats right.
Fixing urgent domestic issues is baaaadd!
:smack:
Same old same old–a litany of failed political [del]philosophy[/del] dogma.
When I took the “Who are you like?” political quiz, I scored closer to Trump than I did to any other Republican candidate.
The debate isn’t about his stance on the issues; it’s about his competence, personality, and fitness to serve as POTUS.
No it’s not; it is about whether or not the Trump candidacy signals a paradigm shift in US politics according to the OP (which I wrote).
This would absolutely include his stance on issues. If you prefer a more limited discussion I think starting/finding a different thread would be more suitable.
He’s so fuck-stupid he beat the Republicans twice. He’s been boasting recently that he could win again if he were allowed to run. I think he’s right.
This is not so much a testament to Obama’s ability as it is proof that the electorate at large is still fed up with Republicans. That’s the paradigm shift - that a fair to middling Democrat with a few stellar achievements can beat just about any Republican in a national race.
Gee, what could possibly have been the conditions at the beginning of Obama’s term that might have required spending? But the recession never happened in your world, did it?
Of course we could have fought it with austerity. Been working out great for Europe, hasn’t it?
I don’t think the deficit reduction has much to do with oil. It has a lot to do with reduced unemployment and a better economy.
Hate deficits? Care to predict when they will result in raging inflation?
As for ACA, sure, a bunch of struggling people got health insurance at last, and that is the greatest threat to America since the New Deal.
If the public is fed up with Republicans, then a Democrat will win in 2016.
However, if Obama is simply an unusual candidate who inspires loyalty among a large group of voters who support him personally but not so much his party, then you’d see the Democrats do very well with him on the ballot and very poorly when he is not.
2016 will prove once and for all if the Democrats have a midterm problem or “Obama not on the ticket” problem. Because 2016 could be a perfect storm of suck for the Democrats. Obama’s voters won’t come out and the damage Obama has done to the party could combine for a pretty bad day for Democrats. WIth 2018 looking even worse due to the Senate map.
ANyway, some data to chew on:
Republicans: 39-50 favorability
Democrats: 40-49 favorability
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster#favorability-ratings
That does not look like a public fed up with Republicans, so much as fed up with both parties.
Interestingly, Trump does a LOT better than any other Republican among black voters- he seems to get between 25 and 30% of the black vote in polls I’ve seen.
Ah, but his anti-immigrant stance is KILLING him among Hispanics, right? well… no. He’s doing better than most Republicans among Hispanics.
Sort of like being the prettiest girl at the leper colony, no?
That’s his polling problem. He’s doing well among people who know his name but don’t follow politics. And are less likely to vote in primaries.
Could be. But the Latino press is prepping the big guns so that everyone does know his name and policies. In fact Latino political leaders are hoping for a Trump candidacy, since they think it will vastly increase Latino voter participation, which has been fairly low.
That MIGHT work. The Hispanic vote has been a sleeping giant for a long time, and every four years, the Democrats keep hoping THIS is the year the giant awakes.
But I’m not at all convinced that a typical blue-collar Mexican-American from East LA or Brownsville, Texas is all that concerned about wetbacks. And he MAY even think Donald Trump seems like the kind of macho guy he can relate to.
And if Donald Trump really could get 25% of the black vote, that would be a NIGHTMARE for the Democrats, who can usually count on at LEAST 85% of the black vote in EVERY election (and got much more than that the past two elections).