# Does Toto still have to die at the end of the Wizard of Oz? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [March 25, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496 "2014-03-25T01:50:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/41 "2022-07-15T22:40:08Z")
_ **Toto Must Die!** _ I think it was a Star Trek episode. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/42 "2022-07-15T22:55:33Z")
_I_ think it was a Japanese _kaiju_ movie. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/43 "2022-07-15T23:02:22Z")
Lost girls is _almost_ Kiddie Porn, Moore gets away with it as he is famous. > [@Gyrate](#): > > My main problem with the film is that [Glinda is a manipulating psycho](http://www.cracked.com/article_18881_5-reasons-greatest-movie-villain-ever-good-witch.html). The whole scene in Munchkinland is her doing everything possible to get the WWW lethally mad at Dorothy and then sends her off into the wilderness without protection. > > “Hey, WWW, that girl totally killed your sister! And – oops – now she’s wearing those shoes you want, which can’t be removed while she’s alive (wink wink)! Ha ha - sucks to be you, bitch! But don’t worry, Dorothy - she can’t harm you while you’re in Munchkinland. Which is why you need to leave Munchkinland immediately. Byeeeee!” Dorothy can’t be harmed _at all_ by the Witch when she has the shoes on. However, outside Munchinland the WWW can throw barriers at her, like the poppies. And in the film they conflated the two Good witches (plus a Mouse Queen) into one. wiki: _Glinda performs the functions of not only the novel’s Good Witch of the North and Good Witch of the South, but also the novel’s Queen of Field Mice, by being the one who welcomes Dorothy to Oz, sends her “off to see the Wizard,” and orchestrates her rescue from the deadly poppy field in addition to revealing the secret to going back home._ This is why The Good Witch originally doesn’t know how the ruby slippers work. In the book, it wasn’t Glinda to start. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/44 "2022-07-15T23:33:40Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Lost girls is _almost_ Kiddie Porn, Moore gets away with it as he is famous. Eh. Aging up characters to be able to make porn about them is not uncommon at all. As long as they look old enough, no one tends to care. Still, it is interesting that he got away with doing porn. According to the wiki article, he believes he got away with it by calling it porn, which caused critics to disagree and say it was art, in a Rabbit Season/Duck Season way. > **[Lost Girls (graphic novel)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Girls_(graphic_novel))** > > Lost Girls is a graphic novel written by Alan Moore and illustrated by Melinda Gebbie, depicting the sexually explicit adventures of three female fictional characters of the late 19th and early 20th century: Alice from Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass, Dorothy Gale from L. Frank Baum's The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, and Wendy Darling from J. M. Barrie's Peter and Wendy. They meet as adults in 1913 and describe and share some of their erotic adventures ... ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/45 "2022-07-15T23:39:31Z")
The UK banned it for quite some time. But they finally gave in. NZ also. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/46 "2022-07-16T00:33:08Z")
He never did have to die if the family grew some stones. “Shariff…Toto’s a member of this family. Now you go back and tell that old bitch I said so, and should anyone think otherwise, thay gonna be picking buckshot outa their behinds. Now git.” ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/47 "2022-07-16T00:35:43Z")
I like to think Uncle Henry and the boys threw Gulch to the hogs. ---
**Author:** ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/48 "2022-07-19T01:33:51Z")
My best information is that the script says “Almira”. ---
**Author:** ![Meurglys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/258eb7/32.png) [@Meurglys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meurglys)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/49 "2022-07-19T10:59:54Z")
Toto, Toto, Toto! ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/50 "2022-07-19T14:51:10Z")
> [@Meurglys](#): > > Toto, Toto, Toto! The message came out from Admiral Elphaba: オズ山に登る Ozu yamaninoboru (Climb Mt Oz!) ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/51 "2022-07-19T15:00:49Z")
Did you do that in front of a mirror? Did the dog appear? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2022, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/52 "2022-07-19T15:04:24Z")
It did! And it went “krab, krab”, then its head spun around. ---
**Author:** ![Walshy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Walshy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walshy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496/53 "2022-07-29T21:52:22Z")
It’s so weird to me that I watched that movie my whole life and only recently wondered about that. It’s even stranger that others asked about it too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-toto-still-have-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-wizard-of-oz/684496.md?page=2)