# Does Trump calling Warren Pocahontas, make it OK to call him Adolph Drumpf? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008 "2016-05-29T16:44:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/41 "2016-05-30T15:13:11Z")
> [@FairyChatMom](#): > > I’d love to see someone put together an montage of kindergarteners calling each other names intercut with Trump doing the same. Not that it’d make any difference to those who adore The Donald… But it would show that kindergartners are much better at it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/42 "2016-05-30T15:39:39Z")
For the many, many Texans and Oklahomans who have some Cherokee ancestry, there is no way on God’s green Earth to set any actual percentage to it. Scots/Irish and Cherokee is an almost stereoptypical mixture for the peckerwood demographic. Some were proud of it and passed it along as heritage, those that weren’t simply didn’t talk about it, and let it be forgotten. Point being, there is nothing remotely unusual about someone born in Oklahoma and appearing as white as Romney to have Cherokee blood. As well, the likelihood that you could prove such a thing is vanishingly small. The Cherokee themselves didn’t much a give a shit, you wanted to be Cherokee, you were. Sam Houston is a prominent example, known among his adopted people as “Big Drunk”, was entirely Scots/Irish in descent, but became a leader in the tribe. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/43 "2016-05-30T16:09:51Z")
It’s ok to call Trump anything you want . . . except President. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/44 "2016-05-30T16:14:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > For the many, many Texans and Oklahomans who have some Cherokee ancestry, there is no way on God’s green Earth to set any actual percentage to it. Scots/Irish and Cherokee is an almost stereoptypical mixture for the peckerwood demographic. Some were proud of it and passed it along as heritage, those that weren’t simply didn’t talk about it, and let it be forgotten. > > Point being, there is nothing remotely unusual about someone born in Oklahoma and appearing as white as Romney to have Cherokee blood. As well, the likelihood that you could prove such a thing is vanishingly small. The Cherokee themselves didn’t much a give a shit, you wanted to be Cherokee, you were. Sam Houston is a prominent example, known among his adopted people as “Big Drunk”, was entirely Scots/Irish in descent, but became a leader in the tribe. If she has Cherokee ancestry, it didn’t come from being born in OK unless she acquired it by osmosis. As I already noted, not one of her 4 grandparents was born in that state (or in TX). ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/45 "2016-05-30T16:26:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If she has Cherokee ancestry, it didn’t come from being born in OK unless she acquired it by osmosis. As I already noted, not one of her 4 grandparents was born in that state (or in TX). Your comments are the first time I’ve seen this asserted. So where was the great-great-great-grandmother from, who was believed to have been identified as Cherokee in marriage records? ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/46 "2016-05-30T16:54:16Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > The Donald is being very calculating with his labeling of opponents. Scott Adam was on Real Time last week, with some very interesting thoughts on the matter: Is Scott Adams known for any kind of skilled political prognostication, or is he simply another entrant for this year’s Bill Kristol Prediction Prize? ---
**Author:** ![Pylesos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc348/32.png) [@Pylesos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pylesos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/47 "2016-05-30T16:58:01Z")
Has Trump ever claimed to belong to a non-white etnic group? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/48 "2016-05-30T17:02:41Z")
> [@Pylesos](#): > > Has Trump ever claimed to belong to a non-white etnic group? He’d deny it but it’s obvious there’s Oompa-Loompa in his genes. ---
**Author:** ![Pylesos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc348/32.png) [@Pylesos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pylesos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/49 "2016-05-30T17:08:34Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > He’d deny it but it’s obvious there’s Oompa-Loompa in his genes. That’s an interesting bit of conjecture, but has Trump ever claimed to belong to a non-white etnic group? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/50 "2016-05-30T17:17:17Z")
> [@Peremensoe](#): > > Your comments are the first time I’ve seen this asserted. So where was the great-great-great-grandmother from, who was believed to have been identified as Cherokee in marriage records? That marriage record was from Logan County, Oklahoma. It appears to be that the claim that the ancestor was identified as Cherokee on the record was incorrect, but it’s not clear to me whether or not the record exists at all. I would also like to see a cite on the birthplaces of her grandparents. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/51 "2016-05-30T17:23:25Z")
“I’ll take Irrelevant Questions for 400, Alex.” > [@Pylesos](#): > > Has Trump ever claimed to belong to a non-white etnic group? “What is ‘Not to the best of my knowledge’.” You have a point to make? > [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > Is Scott Adams known for any kind of skilled political prognostication, or is he simply another entrant for this year’s Bill Kristol Prediction Prize? He’s known for being a piece of shit. Yanno, if that helps. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/52 "2016-05-30T17:26:39Z")
> [@Pylesos](#): > > That’s an interesting bit of conjecture, but has Trump ever claimed to belong to a non-white etnic group? Increasingly, the answer to every “has Trump ever claimed \_\_\_\_\_\_?” question is yes, he claimed it, then denied it, then denied that he claimed it, then claimed that he never denied that he claimed it, then claimed he’d never claimed or denied it, then admitted that he probably had claimed it, but denied denying it, and that’s all in the past week, and isn’t it amazingly refreshing to finally hear someone who speaks his mind and means what he says? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/53 "2016-05-30T17:32:52Z")
> [@quiltguy](#): > > The Pocahontas “thing” never would’ve arisen if Warren hadn’t claimed Native American heritage, which she had no right to do, IIRC. If she did, would that make calling her “Pocahontas” any better? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/54 "2016-05-30T17:56:56Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If she has Cherokee ancestry, it didn’t come from being born in OK unless she acquired it by osmosis. As I already noted, not one of her 4 grandparents was born in that state (or in TX). A Google search for “Elizabeth Warren grandparents” doesn’t give me anything. Be that as it may, being born in OK or TX makes it _more likely_ that one has Cherokee ancestry, but that is not exclusive. Any number of people, for whatever reasons, left those Earthly paradises for other places. Go figure. As well, a large number of Cherokee ended up in Arkansas, for instance. Also, quite a few never left Georgia and Tennessee. Known as the “forest Cherokee”, they rejected the “white” ways of other Cherokee, warning darkly that the white man would betray them. For the most part, the removed Cherokee had something worth stealing. Bottommost line being, it would not be surprising if someone who legitimately had such ancestry would be entirely unable to prove it. Mostly, point of fact. My father’s family name is listed on the “Trail of Tears” documentation, but there are any number of people with that same last name who are not at all Cherokee. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/55 "2016-05-30T18:16:54Z")
Everyone. You are falling into his trap. Elizabeth Warren’s ethnic heritage does not matter - what does matter is Trump using an ethnic slur. Remember the woman who claimed to be black and ran a local NAACP? She was wrong, but if Trump called her Aunt Jemima he’d be wronger. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/56 "2016-05-30T18:22:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Bottommost line being, it would not be surprising if someone who legitimately had such ancestry would be entirely unable to prove it. Her colleague, Louis Gates, hosts a PBS show where he uses professional genealogists to trace the ancestry of famous people, and then does a DNA test to look for hidden traces of undocumented ancestry. If she has some NA ancestry, she might be just on the edge of resolution of the test, but it would be a pretty good data point. Not that I feel she needs to do this unless she wants to for personal reason. But we do have the technology. It’s well known, and noted in _The Atlantic_ link provided by **Colibri** , that the two most likely “family legends” to be false are: NA ancestry and Name Changed at Ellis Island. Having read quite a bit about the subject, I’m always skeptical of claims of NA ancestry without hard evidence. It’s not anyone’s fault, because we all tend to believe what we want to believe. > [@Voyager](#): > > Everyone. You are falling into his trap. Elizabeth Warren’s ethnic heritage does not matter - what does matter is Trump using an ethnic slur. Agreed, mostly. I wouldn’t call it an ethnic slur-- it’s more like me calling you “Joe Namath” if you claimbed you used to play professional football. He’s not disparaging NAs, he’s disparaging someone claiming to be NA who he thinks is not. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/57 "2016-05-30T19:03:27Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Everyone. You are falling into his trap. Elizabeth Warren’s ethnic heritage does not matter - what does matter is Trump using an ethnic slur. > Remember the woman who claimed to be black and ran a local NAACP? She was wrong, but if Trump called her Aunt Jemima he’d be wronger. For it to be completely analogous, we’d need to swap Aunt Jemima (a fictional character) for a real person like Harriet Tubman or Sojourner Truth. But either way, I agree that the name-calling would be “wronger”. For one thing, what did Pocahontas do to deserve having her name turned into a slur? ---
**Author:** ![Pylesos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc348/32.png) [@Pylesos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pylesos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/58 "2016-05-30T19:06:37Z")
> [@andros](#): > > “What is ‘Not to the best of my knowledge’.” What about the best knowledge of other posters? Do they have any knowledge of Trump claiming to belong to a non-white etnicity? > [@](#): > > You have a point to to make? Yes, yes, I do. Even two points, in fact. I often wonder what drives people to claim to be something they are not… What drove Rachel Dolezal to claim to be black? What drove Bruce Jenner to claim to be a woman? What drove Elizabeth Warren to claim to be Native American? Is it some sort of deeply rooted psychological issue? If so, should they seek psychiatric help? Additionaly, if there’s any evidence that Trump claimed to belong to a non-white etnicity ( for example, if he claimed to be an African), should Elizabeth Warren call him Kunta Kentei? ---
**Author:** ![Pylesos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc348/32.png) [@Pylesos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pylesos)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/59 "2016-05-30T19:10:01Z")
: > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Increasingly, the answer to every “has Trump ever claimed \_\_\_\_\_\_?” question is yes, he claimed it Thank you! Could you provide the source for Trump claiming to belong to a non-white etnicity? Would be very curious to see how his claims stack up against those of Eluzabeth Warren. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/60 "2016-05-30T19:33:17Z")
> [@Pylesos](#): > > : > Thank you! Could you provide the source for Trump claiming to belong to a non-white etnicity? Would be very curious to see how his claims stack up against those of Eluzabeth Warren. Not non-white but he did lie about [his origins.](http://theweek.com/articles/580042/ancestral-immigrant-history-antiimmigrant-crusader-donald-trump) > [@](#): > > She was a regular presence in their lives and didn’t die until 1966, when Fred’s son Donald was 20; nonetheless Donald, too, preferred to describe his ancestry as Swedish — to tell it like it’s not — and did so in his autobiography, Trump: The Art of The Deal, published in 1987. > > Eventually, it became impossible to keep up the bogus Swedish origin story, and in a 1990 interview with Vanity Fair, Donald acknowledged his German heritage with a carefully parsed version of the truth (“My father was not German; my father’s parents were German”). But he then distanced himself from the facts — i.e., told it like it wasn’t — by adding that his grandparents had really been “from all over Europe” (they weren’t) and saying that he mentioned Germany only so that all the people in Sweden who seemed to be expecting him to visit would know why he hadn’t done so. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008.md?page=4)