# Does Trump calling Warren Pocahontas, make it OK to call him Adolph Drumpf? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 29, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008 "2016-05-29T16:44:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/61 "2016-05-30T19:34:23Z")
He’s a registered member of the Casino tribe. Most people don’t realize that Casino (originally Oka Seenoh) is a Native American word meaning “house of gambling”. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/62 "2016-05-30T19:38:14Z")
> [@Pylesos](#): > > Yes, yes, I do. Even two points, in fact. I often wonder what drives people to claim to be something they are not… > What drove Rachel Dolezal to claim to be black? > What drove Bruce Jenner to claim to be a woman? > What drove Elizabeth Warren to claim to be Native American? > Is it some sort of deeply rooted psychological issue? If so, should they seek psychiatric help? Those three examples are all wildly different. And all three are easily answered, at least in their own words (Caitlyn Jenner, for example, is a woman, not “claiming to be something she isn’t”). If you claim not to be a troll, despite the evidence, do you need psychiatric help? Or are you just being an asshole? Mysteries abound. > [@](#): > > Additionaly, if there’s any evidence that Trump claimed to belong to a non-white etnicity ( for example, if he claimed to be an African), should Elizabeth Warren call him Kunta Kentei? “Ethnicity.” “Kunta Kinte.” And also, of course she shouldn’t. And also, your “point” is insipid, irrelevant, and inane. . ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/63 "2016-05-30T19:40:07Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > He’s a registered member of the Casino tribe. Most people don’t realize that Casino (originally Oka Seenoh) is a Native American word meaning “house of gambling”. Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo… …ka Seenoh, where the wind comes sweepin’ through your hairpiece ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/64 "2016-05-30T21:12:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Her colleague, Louis Gates, hosts a PBS show where he uses professional genealogists to trace the ancestry of famous people, and then does a DNA test to look for hidden traces of undocumented ancestry. If she has some NA ancestry, she might be just on the edge of resolution of the test, but it would be a pretty good data point. > > Not that I feel she needs to do this unless she wants to for personal reason. But we do have the technology. > > It’s well known, and noted in _The Atlantic_ link provided by **Colibri** , that the two most likely “family legends” to be false are: NA ancestry and Name Changed at Ellis Island. Having read quite a bit about the subject, I’m always skeptical of claims of NA ancestry without hard evidence. It’s not anyone’s fault, because we all tend to believe what we want to believe. > Agreed, mostly. I wouldn’t call it an ethnic slur-- it’s more like me calling you “Joe Namath” if you claimbed you used to play professional football. He’s not disparaging NAs, he’s disparaging someone claiming to be NA who he thinks is not. I agree with your overall point, but I’ve been researching my ancestry, and I found my grandfather’s Ellis Island record with a different version of his name. I’d looked for him a number of years ago (because I wasn’t sure if he had come through Ellis Island or not) and I didn’t find him doing a search by name. More recently, I looked through their records using the name of the ship he came over in (I knew it because my sister was named after the ship), found its arrival on the day before his official immigration record date, and browsed through the passenger list. And I found him. Eight letters in his entire name, and they got two of them wrong. Heh. But he didn’t keep the misspelled version, so your point is still right. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/65 "2016-05-30T22:09:59Z")
Just to be clear, my point wasn’t that it never happened, just that it, and NA ancestry, is the most likely thing about “family lore” to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Grumman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/43a26b/32.png) [@Grumman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grumman)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/66 "2016-05-30T22:58:00Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > For one thing, what did Pocahontas do to deserve having her name turned into a slur? He probably called her “Pocohontas” because it fits the cliche: that somebody falsely claiming to have Native American ancestry will usually claim to be descended from an “Indian princess.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/67 "2016-05-30T23:02:22Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > He probably called her “Pocohontas” because it fits the cliche: that somebody falsely claiming to have Native American ancestry will usually claim to be descended from an “Indian princess.” More likely, it’s the only NA female name he knew. Surprised he didn’t call her a squaw. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/68 "2016-05-30T23:09:11Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > He probably called her “Pocohontas” because it fits the cliche: that somebody falsely claiming to have Native American ancestry will usually claim to be descended from an “Indian princess.” Name 5 famous Native American women. Once you get past Pocahontas and Sacagawea, most of us draw a blank. Warren has been often dubbed “Fauxcahontas” by her detractors. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/69 "2016-05-30T23:19:03Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > More likely, it’s the only NA female name he knew. Surprised he didn’t call her a squaw. Yeah, this. Of course, if I had liven in 1880s Oklahoma, I would DEFINITELY have boinked Cherokee chicks. (After chocolates and flowers and several fancy dinners, certainly. I am a gentleman.) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/70 "2016-05-30T23:24:30Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Once you get past Pocahontas and Sacagawea, most of us draw a blank. And Trump can’t pronounce Sacagawea. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/71 "2016-05-30T23:26:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > And Trump can’t pronounce Sacagawea. Took me 5 attempts to spell it correctly! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/72 "2016-05-30T23:38:48Z")
Well, at least it wasn’t [Princess Summerfallwinterspring.](http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/140936285-pictured-judy-tyler-as-princess-summerfall-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=Z0zsWpN2ukUDXYqF4boPJT0S1jSRMqX1iLogVAn6X2%2FIxKFuOWx%2BKA7rTqpSuVLP) ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/73 "2016-05-30T23:54:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Name 5 famous Native American women. Once you get past Pocahontas and Sacagawea, most of us draw a blank. Warren has been often dubbed “Fauxcahontas” by her detractors. Huh. You’d think they’d want to use [Stands With A Fist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dances_with_Wolves#Cast), instead, wouldn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/74 "2016-05-30T23:54:56Z")
> [@Pylesos](#): > > What drove Bruce Jenner to claim to be a woman? You sound remarkably like a particular poster who was just recently banned here. Maybe you’re related. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/75 "2016-05-31T00:06:00Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You sound remarkably like a particular poster who was just recently banned here. Maybe you’re related. Sockagawea? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/76 "2016-05-31T00:07:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You sound remarkably like a particular poster who was just recently banned here. Maybe you’re related. Just joined today and already posting like a champ. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Warren has been often dubbed “Fauxcahontas” by her detractors. FTR, that one comes from Howie Carr, the turd in the punchbowl of Boston talk radio. ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/77 "2016-05-31T00:48:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > A Google search for “Elizabeth Warren grandparents” doesn’t give me anything. > > Be that as it may, being born in OK or TX makes it _more likely_ that one has Cherokee ancestry, but that is not exclusive. Any number of people, for whatever reasons, left those Earthly paradises for other places. Go figure. > > As well, a large number of Cherokee ended up in Arkansas, for instance. Also, quite a few never left Georgia and Tennessee. Known as the “forest Cherokee”, they rejected the “white” ways of other Cherokee, warning darkly that the white man would betray them. For the most part, the removed Cherokee had something worth stealing. > > Bottommost line being, it would not be surprising if someone who legitimately had such ancestry would be entirely unable to prove it. Mostly, point of fact. My father’s family name is listed on the “Trail of Tears” documentation, but there are any number of people with that same last name who are not at all Cherokee. Her family tree was “did” by a blogger and it shows no NA heritage [Thoughts from Polly's Granddaughter: Elizabeth Warren Information](http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/p/elizabeth-warren-information.html) scroll down to find 5 links from start to finish on her genealogy with various documentations. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/78 "2016-05-31T00:54:31Z")
She claimed only that it was family lore, with no documentation available. ---
**Author:** ![Pylesos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc348/32.png) [@Pylesos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pylesos)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/79 "2016-05-31T00:55:24Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Caitlyn Jenner, for example, is a woman. > . C’mon, don’t be a silly goose 🙂 Bruce even won men’s Olympic gold medal, and you don’t see him in any hurry to return it or anyone demanding him to do so, which surely would have been the case, if he was a woman. The dude’s just confused or, more likely, just yanking your chain. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-calling-warren-pocahontas-make-it-ok-to-call-him-adolph-drumpf/756008/80 "2016-05-31T00:59:25Z")
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