# Does Trump get indicted?

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Tags:** trump\
**Created:** [October 31, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085 "2022-10-31T16:27:55Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![sciurophobic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cab0a1/32.png) [@sciurophobic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sciurophobic)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/61 "2022-11-03T15:31:43Z")

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If the Garland and the DOJ really believed it was politically unwise to indict Trump the investigations and grand juries would have ended long ago. At this point the only reason they wouldn’t indict is if they convince themselves that the overwhelming amount of evidence they do have somehow isn’t enough.

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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/62 "2022-11-03T15:37:40Z")

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> [@sciurophobic](#):
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> At this point the only reason they wouldn’t indict is if they convince themselves that the overwhelming amount of evidence they do have somehow isn’t enough.

If they don’t have an airtight case that is sure to get a conviction with any fair or even somewhat biased jury, they can’t bring it to trial. An acquittal will be vindication, and #trumpdidnothingwrong will be the new trend on whatever’s left of twitter.

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**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/63 "2022-11-03T17:39:50Z")

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> [@UltraVires](#):
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> We give him guards if he decides to go to the corner grocery, but for some white collar crime we are going to throw him in gen pop to be raped and murdered? **Again, some of you might secretly (or openly) enjoy such a thing**, but let’s be reasonable: you don’t want to see that happen to a former president and it will not realistically happen.

(Emphasis mine.)

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**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/64 "2022-11-03T17:55:29Z")

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> [@Napier](#):
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> Yes, any ordinary citizen doing the same things would be in jail already. Well, if they were white, they would.

Am I the only one who doesn’t get this?

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**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/65 "2022-11-03T18:09:24Z")

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> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#):
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> > [@Napier](#):
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> > Yes, any ordinary citizen doing the same things would be in jail already. Well, if they were white, they would.
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> Am I the only one who doesn’t get this?  
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I took it to mean that if they were black, they’d be dead already. You know, threatening an armed officer with a cell phone or something.

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/66 "2022-11-03T18:09:37Z")

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Maybe the word was supposed to be “wouldn’t”?

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**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/67 "2022-11-03T18:30:29Z")

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> [@k9bfriender](#):
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> It’s also a false threat, as they have already come after Hillary and Hunter.

And will again should they keep/regain senate and house majorities.

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**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/68 "2022-11-03T18:56:39Z")

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> [@UltraVires](#):
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> We give him guards if he decides to go to the corner grocery, but for some white collar crime we are going to throw him in gen pop to be raped and murdered?

For the record, ten days ago, this is EXACTLY what Trump said he wants to happen to reporters, to a laughing and cheering crowd of his supporters. Should it happen to him, I’ll go looking for a suitably small violin.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/69 "2022-11-03T19:28:53Z")

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> [@Lance\_Turbo](#):
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> Are you under the impression that Republicans aren’t going after Hillary Clinton and Hunter Biden?

I will point out that it does look like Hunter may have committed Tax fraud, and it ain’t the GOP that is pushing for that. Mind you, few go to prison for tax fraud, unless they thumb their nose at the Judge and tax code.

To me, the ideal end for a trump indictment would be a plea deal that he can no longer run or hold office.

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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/70 "2022-11-03T19:42:35Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> I will point out that it does look like Hunter may have committed Tax fraud, and it ain’t the GOP that is pushing for that.

No, the GOP is pushing for far more than that, and was pushing for it before they even had any evidence to believe that he _had_ broken any laws.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/71 "2022-11-03T19:44:25Z")

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> [@k9bfriender](#):
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> No, the GOP is pushing for far more than that, and was pushing for it before they even had any evidence to believe that he _had_ broken any laws.

Nothing I posted contradicts this.

If Hunter is really guilty of tax fraud, then he should get the same treatment as anyone else.

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**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/72 "2022-11-03T19:45:54Z")

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> [@Northern\_Piper](#):
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> Would a DA in Georgia have that authority for all of the US?

I assume you mean Fani Willis who, as I pointed out earlier, is looking to indict him. She obviously cannot act for all of the US. BUT she can act for the sovereign State of Georgia as the alleged crimes took place in Fulton County.

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**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/73 "2022-11-03T19:47:04Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Nothing I posted contradicts this.

Agreed, as long as you are saying that nothing you posted was meant to contradict @Lance_Turbo.

> [@DrDeth](#):
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> If Hunter is really guilty of tax fraud, then he should get the same treatment as anyone else.

Agreed, but, as I said, the GOP wouldn’t.

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/74 "2022-11-03T19:59:40Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> To me, the ideal end for a trump indictment would be a plea deal that he can no longer run or hold office.

A deal he would most certainly break as soon as Republicans in power make it possible.

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**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/75 "2022-11-03T20:35:50Z")

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> [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](#):
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> > [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#):
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> > > [@Napier](#):
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> > > Yes, any ordinary citizen doing the same things would be in jail already. Well, if they were white, they would.
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> > Am I the only one who doesn’t get this?  
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> I took it to mean that if they were black, they’d be dead already. You know, threatening an armed officer with a cell phone or something.

Excavating\_for\_a\_mind, you took it correctly.

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**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/76 "2022-11-03T21:18:21Z")

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We can’t be afraid of the mob. The SS will stand down if the order comes in to bring the Slobfather in. If there is a huge crowd there, some tear gas should bring them in and if they start shooting up the place, then start shooting back. Think we can’t touch him else they go after Hunter and Hillary? If they had any fucking evidence they’d have done so long ago. Instead we’ve got “derp… something something laptop” and “derp… something something emails”.

I think he gets indicted for the documents case between Thanksgiving and Christmas. How lucky we are that he stole the documents, the sedition case is much harder to convict on in my view.

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**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/77 "2022-11-03T21:23:24Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> To me, the ideal end for a trump indictment would be a plea deal that he can no longer run or hold office.

So, basically, no consequences whatsoever. (I say this because it suits his narrative to not hold office—no responsibilities!—but have it be beyond his control. I also say this because I’m not confident he could actually win another election, anyway.)

Also, wouldn’t this be something one could challenge as “unusual punishment” ? I know the Constitution says both cruel and unusual, but it seems to be interpreted as “cruel OR unusual” most of the time.

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**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/78 "2022-11-03T22:20:12Z")

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> [@Czarcasm](#):
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> > [@DrDeth](#):
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> > To me, the ideal end for a trump indictment would be a plea deal that he can no longer run or hold office.
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> A deal he would most certainly break as soon as Republicans in power make it possible.

Which is why I’d consider the ideal outcome the death penalty for treason\* – because it’s the only one a GOP president couldn’t pardon away.

(\*Yes, I know all the reasons this isn’t going to happen. Don’t bother dragging them out again.)

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**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/79 "2022-11-03T22:42:49Z")

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> [@Akaj](#):
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> because it’s the only one a GOP president couldn’t pardon away.

Sure they could. Commute it to time served.

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**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2022, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-get-indicted/974085/80 "2022-11-03T22:44:20Z")

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No, I meant once the sentence has been carried out.

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