# Does Trump Think That He Will Be Welcomed In The UK? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 30, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151 "2017-11-30T16:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/61 "2017-12-01T17:12:15Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > …But I thought Trumpniks posting at SDMB might be more self-aware. Guess I was wrong about that. See earlier post: [spoiler] > [@Stupid Republican idea of the day](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/stupid-republican-idea-of-the-day/490897/35829): > > … To top it off, I found out today\* there’s no Santa Claus\*! Oops, should I have put that in a spoiler box? [/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/62 "2017-12-01T19:39:28Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > …But stay tuned to see how the investigation turns out. (post shortened) I’m in favor of investigations. First, let’s get all of the facts out in the open. 2nd, we’ll see who’s bullshitting who. 3rd, we’ll know which news media outlets tried to convince the public/voters that their particular brand of bullshit was truthier than the other news media outlets. 4th, some politician may, or may not, lose their seat/ass/freedom/constituency. 5th, move on to the next alleged scandal. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/63 "2017-12-01T22:45:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Castro had the USSR behind him, Kim Jong-un has zilch. Even a megalomaniac realizes that the North Korean government would be blown away without having to use nuclear weapons. Although Trump would get off on using nukes. > > I wonder what type of bunkers Kim has, and if we know where they are. That is total bollocks and I suspect that you know it. If there was any attempt at a military solution, it would tip Kim over the edge and he would unleash his enormous conventional firepower at SK. This would provoke a reaction and when he finally realises that all is lost, Kim would send a nuke to Seol. What happens after that is anyone’s guess. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/64 "2017-12-01T22:53:22Z")
Donald Trump would not be the first American to have[a friendly visit go horribly wrong.](http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/vice-president-nixon-is-attacked) ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/65 "2017-12-01T22:56:32Z")
actually even before trump won the election didn’t parliament actually have a session on whether to ban trump in the uk and commonwealth? And the ones who wanted to ban him almost pulled it off ? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/66 "2017-12-02T07:50:42Z")
When you have Tory MPs, who would normally be sympathetic to Republicans in general, as horrified as anyone from the left of centre, about his re-tweeting those videos from that source, and his continued insistence in response, then you can take it there will be any number of reasons to kick the whole idea of a state visit into the long grass - “too busy to give it our full attention”, what with the royal wedding and the upcoming royal baby, not to mention the Brexit negotiations entering an even more difficult phase, the prospect of another general election at any moment. It’s not just general disapproval of him as a man and a politician, it’s the specific insult he’s offered to us and our hapless government. The official line doesn’t have to be more than mildly disappointed - but surely someone could tell him that if you want someone to make a fuss of you, you don’t tell them you know better than them what’s going on in their own country and cite a bunch of lying neo-Nazis as your source. ---
**Author:** ![filmstar-en](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/50afbb/32.png) [@filmstar-en](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmstar-en)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/67 "2017-12-02T10:23:13Z")
What Trump has done is re-tweet the caption editing propaganda of an organisation that is similar to the KKK in its politics. Giving oxygen to these hate-mongers. If he visits the UK, he will be assured a very warm welcome by the large numbers of people who would relish the opportunity to express their opinion of him and his twittter nonsense. He would have to be kept well out of the way of the public. Much as many people here admire the US as a country and people, Trump seems to represent a very ugly side of US politics. While politicians are obliged to give him the honours expected of the head of state of a superpower and the royals will have to do their bit. It will be through gritted teeth. On the other hand, there is a royal wedding to look forward to in the spring with a Prince marrying a nice American actress. That will be a welcome distraction from a US presidency that is being run like a bad reality TV show. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/68 "2017-12-02T14:48:27Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I _have_ noticed that. I’ve seen disconcerting replies from Trumpniks in the wild. Explain Obamacare to them and they answer: “You know more about healthcare than I. So what? God is Great! Trump is Great!!” > > But I thought Trumpniks posting at SDMB might be more self-aware. Guess I was wrong about that. This. 1000 times this. I do read Breitbart, not because I like it, but because I think I have a responsibility to make an effort to know what’s being said in different circles. So I tried an experiment. I made some comments on some of the stories where I asked some questions about policies and pointed out when something in the story wasn’t supported by the facts. I provided cites, and I went out of my way to be polite and respectful. I never criticized Trump directly. It didn’t matter. The fact that I wasn’t 100% on board as a Trump zealot, that I didn’t treat it all with the deference of a religion, just got me called all sorts of names and attacked rather nastily. Now, this doesn’t bother me, but it actually is a little disturbing just how much their support is about the person himself, and what they like is when he’s a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/69 "2017-12-02T14:51:20Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > It may possibly be confirmation bias, but I hardly ever read anything complimentary about him personally or his policies. The only exception seems to be that he handled China less badly than expected. > > … > > It would be a very good idea if he were to have a ‘diplomatic illness’ that prevented the visit. No, I think you’re right. I report into the UK and most of my team is there. I’ve not met a single person there who likes him. Even a couple of colleagues who supported Brexit don’t like him. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/70 "2017-12-02T15:48:08Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > This. 1000 times this. > > I do read Breitbart, not because I like it, but because I think I have a responsibility to make an effort to know what’s being said in different circles. So I tried an experiment. I made some comments on some of the stories where I asked some questions about policies and pointed out when something in the story wasn’t supported by the facts. I provided cites, and I went out of my way to be polite and respectful. I never criticized Trump directly. > > It didn’t matter. The fact that I wasn’t 100% on board as a Trump zealot, that I didn’t treat it all with the deference of a religion, just got me called all sorts of names and attacked rather nastily. Now, this doesn’t bother me, but it actually is a little disturbing just how much their support is about the person himself, and what they like is when he’s a jerk. A little disturbing? This is what I see too. They actually like the man and look up to him. They like that he is a narcissistic clueless moron. But they don’t see him that way. They see him as some sort of hard hitting deal maker. Admiring a person like Trump speaks volumes about your own personality. And/or your complete inability to see beyond flash and bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/71 "2017-12-02T15:59:13Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > This. 1000 times this. > > I do read Breitbart, not because I like it, but because I think I have a responsibility to make an effort to know what’s being said in different circles. So I tried an experiment. I made some comments on some of the stories where I asked some questions about policies and pointed out when something in the story wasn’t supported by the facts. I provided cites, and I went out of my way to be polite and respectful. I never criticized Trump directly. > > It didn’t matter. The fact that I wasn’t 100% on board as a Trump zealot, that I didn’t treat it all with the deference of a religion, just got me called all sorts of names and attacked rather nastily. Now, this doesn’t bother me, but it actually is a little disturbing just how much their support is about the person himself, and what they like is when he’s a jerk. Those who read Breitbart are waging a culture war, and Trump is their William Wallace. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/72 "2017-12-02T17:05:11Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > I do read Breitbart, not because I like it, but because I think I have a responsibility to make an effort to know what’s being said in different circles. I checked out Breitbart. This is “Crush your enemies under your chariot wheels and hear the lamentation of their women” stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/73 "2017-12-02T17:28:42Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > First, let’s get all of the facts out in the open. > [@OldOlds](#): > > I asked some questions about policies and pointed out when something in the story wasn’t supported by the facts. Remember: [There’s No Such Thing as Facts](http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/videos/a51152/trump-surrogate-no-such-thing-as-facts/). ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2017, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/74 "2017-12-02T19:34:27Z")
You just have to have people believe you on election day. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/75 "2017-12-03T04:06:08Z")
Going back to the tweets, I think one thing to appreciate is just how much it took for the PM’s office to release that statement, mildly criticizing the US president. The UK has always worked extremely hard on our relationship with the US, and with Brexit looming, it’s very important we keep the economic ties strong (if nothing else). A PM is \*never \*going to just randomly tweet tough talk. Her statement would have been the result of several meetings in which the need to remain a close ally of the US was balanced against the possibility of civil unrest if the PM handwaved support for a neo-nazi group. I’m sure now there will be discussions on whether we should rescind that invitation, and what Trump would need to do to force our hand on that. Plus how chummy we need to look to not annoy trump or conservatives vs not look like we’re on the wrong side of history. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/76 "2017-12-03T05:56:29Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > actually even before trump won the election didn’t parliament actually have a session on whether to ban trump in the uk and commonwealth? The UK Parliament can certainly have a session, and vote on whether to ban Trump in the UK. But their power ends with the UK; they cannot dictate to the various independent countries of the Commonwealth. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/77 "2017-12-03T16:01:28Z")
And I believe it was just a debate triggered by the Speaker saying that if Trump came, he wouldn’t be invited to address the Commons. I don’t think it was an attempt to ban him. ---
**Author:** ![Senn1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@Senn1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senn1)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/78 "2017-12-03T17:27:59Z")
I think the attitude to Trump will be quite hostile if he’s spending his time in London, there he’s going to get hammered. It’s quite out of touch with the rest of the country, and the Tories that are there will probably be busy working. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/79 "2017-12-03T20:00:38Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > The bedsheets should be stained. I hear he’s used to that. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/80 "2017-12-03T21:19:24Z")
In contradiction to my earlier post the trip is scheduled for February 26-27 with the opening of the new American embassy in London: > **[Donald Trump to make working visit to the UK in February despite public spat...](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5055969/donald-trump-to-make-working-visit-to-the-uk-in-february-despite-public-spat-with-theresa-may-over-tweets/)** > > DONALD Trump is expected to visit Britain in February despite a public spat with Theresa May over his Twitter account. An invitation to visit London had been offered to the US president shortly aft… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151.md?page=5)