# Does Trump Think That He Will Be Welcomed In The UK? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 30, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151 "2017-11-30T16:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/81 "2017-12-04T19:55:35Z")
He is going to get fucking slaughtered with protesting. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/82 "2017-12-04T22:29:44Z")
But he will like that because it confirms that this great country is being taken over by The Evil Empire or whatever he calls them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/83 "2017-12-04T22:55:57Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > He is going to get fucking slaughtered with protesting. Do you think that matters to him? Trump is completely immune to evidence. What he wants to believe is true is automatically true because he wants it to be true. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/84 "2017-12-04T23:00:22Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > But he will like that because it confirms that this great country is being taken over by The Evil Empire or whatever he calls them. “Evil empire” was Bush II and/or Reagan. I believe Trump says, “Bad hombres”. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/85 "2017-12-05T17:52:37Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Do you think that matters to him? Trump is completely immune to evidence. What he wants to believe is true is automatically true because he wants it to be true. How do I know. I’m guessing it might because it’s a long flight for a short stay. Fwiw, I’m responding to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/86 "2017-12-05T18:26:15Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > He is going to get fucking slaughtered with protesting. All U.S. Presidents are subjected to protests. Only so many people can take time off to work hold a sign. And Trump doesn’t give a shit. He’ll tell himself the “Fuck Trump” signs say “MAGA” and he’ll be happy. I should point out, incidentally, that for Parliament to pass a law banning Trump from the UK would be a disgrace to their own nation. I dislike Trump as much as anyone but to pass what amounts to a bill of attainder solely to insult the head of state of a friendly nation is, to point out the obvious, the sort of thing I would expect only from Donald Trump. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/87 "2017-12-05T18:27:47Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Do you think that matters to him? Trump is completely immune to evidence. What he wants to believe is true is automatically true because he wants it to be true. He’ll believe the protestors are adoring fans. Already did that once I think. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/88 "2017-12-05T18:30:37Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > He’ll believe the protestors are adoring fans. Already did that once I think. Or paid operatives, since there aren’t enough _real_ protestors to fill any kind of venue. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/89 "2017-12-05T18:47:49Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I should point out, incidentally, that for Parliament to pass a law banning Trump from the UK would be a disgrace to their own nation. I dislike Trump as much as anyone but to pass what amounts to a bill of attainder solely to insult the head of state of a friendly nation is, to point out the obvious, the sort of thing I would expect only from Donald Trump. There is a difference between uninviting someone from a ceremonial/honorific visit and actually barring them from entering the country. It would be hard to underestimate the insult he doled out, not only in presenting neo-Nazi propaganda as evidence of failings in our country, but also to our head of government (whatever my opinions of her) in insisting on the point when she criticised him for it. Diplomacy may have prevented her from publicly telling him you don’t fight terrorism by sitting on your backside tweeting all night, but if senior Conservatives in Parliament are outraged by him, he and his advisers ought to recognise they have a major problem on their hands - entirely of his making. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/90 "2017-12-05T19:12:17Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > Diplomacy may have prevented her from publicly telling him you don’t fight terrorism by sitting on your backside tweeting all night, but if senior Conservatives in Parliament are outraged by him, he and his advisers ought to recognise they have a major problem on their hands - entirely of his making. If Donald Trump had competent advisors, or listened to the few he has, we wouldn’t even be discussing this. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/91 "2017-12-05T19:26:11Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I should point out, incidentally, that for Parliament to pass a law banning Trump from the UK would be a disgrace to their own nation. . Don’t be ridiculous. Where on earth do you read this crap. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/92 "2017-12-05T19:29:07Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I should point out, incidentally, that for Parliament to pass a law banning Trump from the UK would be a disgrace to their own nation. I dislike Trump as much as anyone but to pass what amounts to a bill of attainder solely to insult the head of state of a friendly nation is, to point out the obvious, the sort of thing I would expect only from Donald Trump. Perhaps he is contagious. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/93 "2017-12-05T22:18:51Z")
I suspect that the current Mayor of London is not on Trump’s Christmas card list. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/94 "2017-12-06T00:07:08Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > I suspect that the current Mayor of London is not on Trump’s Christmas card list. The mayor of London is Sadiq Aman Khan, a Muslim. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/95 "2017-12-06T09:37:32Z")
Actually, he will probably get quite a few cards. Political leaders send them out to all and sundry, whatever their religious beliefs. We send a card to some Hindu friends, and they send us one at Diwali ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/96 "2017-12-06T09:53:23Z")
Sadiq Khan not only receives Christmas cards; [he sends them](https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/entry_sheet.pdf). ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/97 "2017-12-06T11:48:03Z")
FWIW, text of [the text of the petition](https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/171928) that was debated in Parliament. All petitions with over 10,000 signatures have to be debated, by law (though Parliament is completely free to reject them for whatever reason) > [@](#): > > Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom. > > Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen. > > Donald Trump’s well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales. Therefore during the term of his presidency Donald Trump should not be invited to the United Kingdom for an official State Visit. ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/98 "2017-12-06T12:14:21Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I should point out, incidentally, that for Parliament to pass a law banning Trump from the UK would be a disgrace to their own nation. I dislike Trump as much as anyone but to pass what amounts to a bill of attainder solely to insult the head of state of a friendly nation is, to point out the obvious, the sort of thing I would expect only from Donald Trump. There is no question of banning the President of the United States from entering the UK. We are allies. However you can decide what ‘level’ of visit to offer. In this case, since Trump is an embarrassment, you don’t make it a full State Visit. It could be an Official Visit, for example. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/99 "2017-12-06T22:42:46Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > Sadiq Khan not only receives Christmas cards; [he sends them](https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/entry_sheet.pdf). He has also invited people like me to Parliament for a _thank you_ reception. Terrific, down-to-earth, striaght forward bloke. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/100 "2017-12-06T22:43:47Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > FWIW, text of [the text of the petition](https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/171928) that was debated in Parliament. All petitions with over 10,000 signatures have to be debated, by law (though Parliament is completely free to reject them for whatever reason) I thought it was 100,000. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151.md?page=6)