# Does Trump Think That He Will Be Welcomed In The UK? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 30, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151 "2017-11-30T16:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2017, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/101 "2017-12-06T23:16:20Z")
Winston Churchill would know what to do. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/102 "2017-12-07T11:41:55Z")
10,000 guarantees a reply from the relevant government department: which may (and often will) be not much more than a re-statement of existing government policy and whatever evidence they choose to base it on. 100,000 guarantees a debate in Parliament, and a review by the Committee on Petitions which, depending on the nature of the issue raised, may also mean further investigation of relevant arguments and evidence by the Committee on Petitions with a view to getting the relevant specialist committee to take it up in more detail with government ministers. But this sort of issue doesn’t look like one that raises that sort of question, nor would it result in anything more than an expression of opinion on Parliament’s part: it’s up to the government to decide how far to stick to their decision. You can find out more [here](https://www.futurelearn.com/partners/houses-of-parliament) and [here](https://petition.parliament.uk/help). ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/103 "2017-12-07T11:58:24Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Winston Churchill would know what to do. I wonder what you think he would do? ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/104 "2017-12-07T12:58:48Z")
The question didn’t arise much in his day, but I doubt if he would have thought in terms of a full State Visit, which for US Presidents only started with Thatcher’s crush on Reagan. Before that there were a few official business visits (Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon and Carter): there was no return State Visit for the 1938 State Visit of George VI and Elizabeth for obvious reasons, and even after the war, Truman only paid a short official visit. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/105 "2017-12-07T13:43:30Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > I wonder what you think he would do? Just as he did with FDR, Churchill would sweet talk Trump into doing whatever Churchill wanted. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/106 "2017-12-07T15:49:31Z")
Hmm. Didn’t work at Yalta, and particularly not over Poland, but that’s another issue. I can hardly imagine Trump and Churchill in discussion, but the question of a state visit and all the rest of it would hardly arise. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/107 "2017-12-07T16:35:03Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Just as he did with FDR, Churchill would sweet talk Trump into doing whatever Churchill wanted. All it would take is to say Obama did the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/108 "2017-12-07T16:56:42Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > All it would take is to say Obama did the opposite. Good point. Neville Chamberlain could do it. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/109 "2017-12-07T17:58:24Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > I wonder what you think he would do? He’d make a plan and he’d follow through, That’s what Winston Churchill would do. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/110 "2017-12-07T20:14:48Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > He’d make a plan and he’d follow through, > That’s what Winston Churchill would do. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/111 "2017-12-15T15:51:31Z")
“Trump not welcome in Greenwich”: Council. > [@](#): > > Greenwich Council said it adopted a motion calling for a state visit to be abandoned, while also declaring that “should a state visit go ahead, President Trump would not be welcome in the Borough”. [Evening Standard](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/donald-trump-banned-from-greenwich-after-council-passes-motion-to-block-us-presidents-visit-over-a3720061.html) [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/12/15/trump-visit-britain/954742001/) What they could do to actually keep Trump out, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/112 "2017-12-15T16:38:51Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > “Trump not welcome in Greenwich”: Council. > > [Evening Standard](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/donald-trump-banned-from-greenwich-after-council-passes-motion-to-block-us-presidents-visit-over-a3720061.html) > > [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/12/15/trump-visit-britain/954742001/) > > What they could do to actually keep Trump out, I don’t know. Jack squat, I assume. Harrumph loudly and turn their backs on hm. Oh, well, The Donald doesn’t care about the little people’s opinion of him anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/113 "2017-12-15T17:04:38Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well we already knew that about Thump, didn’t we? > > Okay, provided May doesn’t rescind the invitation, what will Thump talk about when he’s in the UK? Let me guess… how he beat Crooked Hillary in the popular vote by the biggest margin in history, how he has gotten more done during his first year in office than any president ever, how he is beloved by the American people, and how we beat Britain in the American Revolution (which he has vaguely heard of, although he doesn’t know what [del]decade[/del] century it happened in), so they better watch their step! The size of his inauguration crowd… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/114 "2017-12-15T17:07:41Z")
> [@rjung is unbanned](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rjung-is-unbanned/107283/15): > > What they could do to actually keep Trump out, I don’t know. Maybe not relevant to Greenwich, but: What would happen if a municipality and/or state decided they didn’t want to cover the expense of a presidential visit, and told the Secret Service that they were on their own? No road blocks, no massive numbers of police officers to bolster presidential safety, etc. Would the visit have to be scrapped? Is a local government required to provide these services to a federal official? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/115 "2017-12-15T17:23:19Z")
It’s a police matter. Of course they provide appropriate services. It is called the Police Service, because they serve the whole of the public. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/116 "2017-12-15T17:33:33Z")
They have probably declared themselves a nuclear-free zone as well. Councils sometimes do this stuff - maybe they want the publicity, or maybe it’s a trade-off for some deal in the council chamber. Quite possible they were half asleep and thought they were playing bridge - “Three No Trumps…?” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/117 "2017-12-15T19:09:16Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > “Trump not welcome in Greenwich” Trump responded: I don’t wanna go to Green-Witch anyway. I mean, have you _been_ to Green-Witch? It’s an awful place. Very unfriendly. Very unfriendly. Believe me. Even their time is mean. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/118 "2017-12-16T04:08:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Donald Trump’s well documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales. Therefore during the term of his presidency Donald Trump should not be invited to the United Kingdom for an official State Visit. It’s a shame Prince Philip has retired, because otherwise I see a solution to that problem. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/119 "2017-12-16T06:04:30Z")
As I asked in the other thread, does he get an invite to the wedding? ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/120 "2017-12-16T10:54:03Z")
> [@jasg](#): > > As I asked in the other thread, does he get an invite to the wedding? They sidestepped that problem by having it at Windsor Castle with a limited guest list. I doubt that there will be any Heads-of-State, or even political figures there unless they are personal friends as well. St George’s Chapel has room for 800 guests, so it shouldn’t be too hard to prune the list. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151.md?page=7)