# Does Trump Think That He Will Be Welcomed In The UK? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 30, 2017, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151 "2017-11-30T16:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/121 "2017-12-16T11:23:13Z")
President Obama wasn’t invited to Prince William’s wedding and that was a wedding of greater consequence in a larger venue. I think the only foreign politicians who got invitations were the Queen’s 15 other PMs. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/122 "2017-12-16T16:04:35Z")
Thank fuck for that. The entire Commonwealth dodged a bullet. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/123 "2017-12-16T16:15:45Z")
The modern tradition is to have a church wedding, followed by a formal wedding breakfast, with a knees-up in the evening. They can only get 162 round the table in St George’s Hall, so some will have to make do with a buffet elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/124 "2017-12-16T17:57:16Z")
Just as long as the FA Cup Final is on the telly in a back room. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/125 "2017-12-16T23:22:04Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > The modern tradition … The what now … ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/126 "2017-12-28T07:09:40Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Should Trump be afraid of the verbalized thoughts of the usual mob of Hillary-worshipping, GroupThink-demanding, rumor-mongering, alleged-reporters? I believe Trump’s decision is obvious, - _better luck next time, haters_ Many people who deplore Donald Trump were against the nomination of Hillary Clinton. They’re both, er, how do I put this? She’s from Chicago, and he’s from Queens, but you just know they’re both _Yankees fans._ They’re that type. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/127 "2017-12-28T13:52:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > Maybe not relevant to Greenwich, but: > > What would happen if a municipality and/or state decided they didn’t want to cover the expense of a presidential visit, and told the Secret Service that they were on their own? No road blocks, no massive numbers of police officers to bolster presidential safety, etc. Would the visit have to be scrapped? Is a local government required to provide these services to a federal official? I’m pretty sure in the UK (at least in England) the center can simply direct the municipalities to do anything lawful. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/128 "2017-12-28T14:11:13Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > The modern tradition is to have a church wedding, followed by a formal wedding breakfast, with a knees-up in the evening. They can only get 162 round the table in St George’s Hall, so some will have to make do with a buffet elsewhere. What is a “knees-up”? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/129 "2017-12-28T14:55:17Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What is a “knees-up”? > [@](#): > > **knees up** > A very informal gathering for any type of celebration. Involving plenty of impromptu singing, dancing, and drinking. Probably Cockney in origin. > _On the night their exam results came out, they went down to the pub for a right old knees up_ [Urban Dictionary](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knees%20up) ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/130 "2017-12-28T15:34:06Z")
“Even their time is mean” should not have passed unnoticed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/131 "2017-12-28T16:21:15Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > “Even their time is mean” should not have passed unnoticed. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/132 "2017-12-28T17:14:30Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What is a “knees-up”? High-step dancing, as opposed to a more sedate waltz. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/133 "2017-12-28T21:03:43Z")
The Urban Dictionary definition is closer to the more usual common understanding. It relates to the song Knees Up Mother Brown, which had a great vogue just before and particularly durng WW2, but I see some suggestions that it might be a bit older, and there seem to have been various versions of the lyrics before [the one most of us know](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCspRIcOXeQ) as a shorthand for the point at which parties start to get a bit out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/134 "2017-12-30T20:30:03Z")
> [@bob\_2](#): > > It may possibly be confirmation bias, but I hardly ever read anything complimentary about him personally or his policies. The only exception seems to be that he handled China less badly than expected. Some will welcome him; others will protest his presence. Trump is a liar, a bully, snake-oil salesman, \. The Liberal Left really hate him and have hyped up the hate. Whether or not this translates into action beyond the usual rent-a-mobs remains to be seen. I rather suspect that most Britons don’t really care. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/135 "2018-01-12T01:31:08Z")
[Donald Trump visit to London called off amid fears of mass protests](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/donald-trump-visit-to-london-called-off-amid-fears-of-mass-protests) - fuck off and good riddance. > [@](#): > > Donald Trump has backed off the idea of visiting Britain next month to open the new US embassy in London amid fears of mass protests. > > Government sources suggested that Washington had signalled that secretary of state Rex Tillerson would instead open the multimillion-pound embassy. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/136 "2018-01-12T02:15:55Z")
Since when do we weigh our embassies? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/137 "2018-01-12T05:03:45Z")
[it’s Obama’s fault he had to cancel](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951679619341737986) :(: > [@](#): > > Reason I canceled my trip to London is that I am not a big fan of the Obama Administration having sold perhaps the best located and finest embassy in London for “peanuts,” only to build a new one in an off location for 1.2 billion dollars. Bad deal. Wanted me to cut ribbon-NO! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/138 "2018-01-12T05:22:53Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > [Donald Trump visit to London called off amid fears of mass protests](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/donald-trump-visit-to-london-called-off-amid-fears-of-mass-protests) - fuck off and good riddance. It’s a shithole of a country anyway! ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/139 "2018-01-12T06:02:49Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > [it’s Obama’s fault he had to cancel](https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/951679619341737986) :(: All of Britain: Thanks, Obama. No, really, _thanks_. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2018, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151/140 "2018-01-12T10:08:19Z")
I thought that it was Bush Jr that sold the lease to the Embassy. The US doesn’t actually own the site which remains the property of Grosvenor Estates (much to the annoyance of successive US governments). One of the main reasons seems to be the very restrictive planning conditions on this grade 11 listed building. I have seen on social media, the start of groups - left and right wing - beginning to organise pro and anti demonstrations, so maybe calling it off was a wise move. The removal of the tank traps and other concrete from what is otherwise a beautiful London square will be very welcome. I have to say that architecturally the new embassy will be a great addition to the South Bank. The Qataris will be able to open yet another mega-expensive hotel. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/does-trump-think-that-he-will-be-welcomed-in-the-uk/803151.md?page=8)